On Tue, 2005-08-09 at 12:15 +0200, Sven Vermeulen wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 09, 2005 at 06:48:15AM +0200, Tobias Scherbaum wrote:
> > At least I would expect that our documentation liason in is in there and
> > not only dropping by from time to time.
> > 
> > Also it seems that Sven isn't subscribed to the releng@ alias where
> > things like release progress and (estimated) release date(s) have been
> > discussed and announced ...
> 
> And how am I supposed to know that the IRC is the main development
> communication platform (which, due to time zone differences, is quite
> difficult to follow) and that I need to be on the releng@ alias?

Well, most of the releng people are in the EU, like you, so timezones
shouldn't be as much of an issue.  The normal location for most of this
stuff is the releng@gentoo.org alias, which I have added you to.  I
didn't realize that you were not on that alias before, and apologize for
any issues that may have caused.

> What's wrong with using gentoo-releng@gentoo.org for all release engineering
> stuff? What about just dropping me a note saying "hey, SwifT, care to
> subscribe to releng@? There's interesting information for you there".

We generally leave a lot of this information off-list simply because the
list is public and there is always information that we don't want the
public having before the release, as it tends to cause issues.

That being said, I think we're going to start really using the list
more.  For one, I plan on using the list to help in revising the release
guidelines before the next release.  The main problem that we've been
having with this list is the lack of response.  Looking back at 2005.0
(and 2005.1 now) I've had to practically *beg* people to even let me
know what is going on with their part of the release.  This causes
issues all around, and will not be tolerated in the future.  Anyway,
enough ranting...

I'd just like to ask for your forgiveness for the problems with this
release and communications with the GDP, as it was my responsibility.

-- 
Chris Gianelloni
Release Engineering - Strategic Lead/QA Manager
Games - Developer
Gentoo Linux