[gentoo-releng] mode #gentoo-releng +m

[gentoo-releng] mode #gentoo-releng +m

[Benjamin Judas]

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Hi folks,

as you all maybe have noticed, a lot of users joined #gentoo-releng over
the last week. Some of them just had little questions and left
afterwards, some stay there and providing "intelligent" comments and
thus are disturbing for serious conversations in there. The most
remarkable thing was when chris, john, jeff, roger and me were talking
about the coordination of mirror-propagation and some user (I think it
was ghettobp19) constantly enlightened us with their point of view.

So the question is: how should we handle that? Change channel-mode to
+m, set the channel to invite only or leave it like it is and live with
all these zealots?

Regards,
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Benjamin Judas

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Re: [gentoo-releng] mode #gentoo-releng +m

[Benjamin Judas]

Hi again

I was a bit p*ssed off when I wrote the mail (see the grammar mistakes).
I didn't want to get personal, but my opinion remains. I don't want to
lock out users, but I also don't like to be disturbed at really
important conversations. We already had one release going down the drain
because of bad communication.

ghettobp, if you can read this: I am sorry for being unfriendly in the
channel and in my original mail a few minutes ago.

Sorry again

Benni

Am Sa, den 24.07.2004 schrieb Benjamin Judas um 12:44:
> Hi folks,
> 
> as you all maybe have noticed, a lot of users joined #gentoo-releng over
> the last week. Some of them just had little questions and left
> afterwards, some stay there and providing "intelligent" comments and
> thus are disturbing for serious conversations in there. The most
> remarkable thing was when chris, john, jeff, roger and me were talking
> about the coordination of mirror-propagation and some user (I think it
> was ghettobp19) constantly enlightened us with their point of view.
> 
> So the question is: how should we handle that? Change channel-mode to
> +m, set the channel to invite only or leave it like it is and live with
> all these zealots?
> 
> Regards,
-- 
Benjamin Judas

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Re: [gentoo-releng] mode #gentoo-releng +m

[Jeffrey Forman]

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Ballerina Benni and releng,

I would have absolutely no problem making releng +m. On another note,
during releases, I would even think #-releng should go +i, so that dev's
can get stuff done. As you can see, I changed the topic to something
different in there because users were coming in bugging that they wanted
2004.2. During non-release periods, having it -mi helps with users
coming in with specific livecd questions, some things have been solved
that way. But during release periods, I need to know that I can say "hey
guys, i'm pushing 2004.2 out" and I dont have users crawling up my ass
asking "is it ready? is it ready? can i test?" I believe zhen is the
owner of the channel if my chanserv memory serves me correctly. If he
wants to delegate op-giving permissions to a couple guys, I would
happily bear that responsibility. 

my 2 cents,
jeffrey


On Sat, 2004-07-24 at 06:35, Benjamin Judas wrote:
> Hi again
> 
> I was a bit p*ssed off when I wrote the mail (see the grammar mistakes).
> I didn't want to get personal, but my opinion remains. I don't want to
> lock out users, but I also don't like to be disturbed at really
> important conversations. We already had one release going down the drain
> because of bad communication.
> 
> ghettobp, if you can read this: I am sorry for being unfriendly in the
> channel and in my original mail a few minutes ago.
> 
> Sorry again
> 
> Benni
> 
> Am Sa, den 24.07.2004 schrieb Benjamin Judas um 12:44:
> > Hi folks,
> > 
> > as you all maybe have noticed, a lot of users joined #gentoo-releng over
> > the last week. Some of them just had little questions and left
> > afterwards, some stay there and providing "intelligent" comments and
> > thus are disturbing for serious conversations in there. The most
> > remarkable thing was when chris, john, jeff, roger and me were talking
> > about the coordination of mirror-propagation and some user (I think it
> > was ghettobp19) constantly enlightened us with their point of view.
> > 
> > So the question is: how should we handle that? Change channel-mode to
> > +m, set the channel to invite only or leave it like it is and live with
> > all these zealots?
> > 
> > Regards,
-- 


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Jeffrey Forman
Gentoo Infrastructure
Gentoo Release Engin.
jforman@gentoo.org
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Re: [gentoo-releng] mode #gentoo-releng +m

[John Davis]

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On Sat, 2004-07-24 at 09:02, Jeffrey Forman wrote:
> Ballerina Benni and releng,
> 
> I would have absolutely no problem making releng +m. On another note,
> during releases, I would even think #-releng should go +i, so that dev's
> can get stuff done. As you can see, I changed the topic to something
> different in there because users were coming in bugging that they wanted
> 2004.2. During non-release periods, having it -mi helps with users
> coming in with specific livecd questions, some things have been solved
> that way. But during release periods, I need to know that I can say "hey
> guys, i'm pushing 2004.2 out" and I dont have users crawling up my ass
> asking "is it ready? is it ready? can i test?" I believe zhen is the
> owner of the channel if my chanserv memory serves me correctly. If he
> wants to delegate op-giving permissions to a couple guys, I would
> happily bear that responsibility. 
> 
> my 2 cents,
> jeffrey
> 

I have no problem doing that ... someone just needs to refresh me on the
intricacies of IRC administration ;) Ping me on chan sometime please.

Cheers,
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John Davis
Gentoo Linux Developer
<http://dev.gentoo.org/~zhen>

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