[gentoo-proxy-maint] Proxy Maintainers lead election: Call for nomination

[gentoo-proxy-maint] Proxy Maintainers lead election: Call for nomination

[Kristian Fiskerstrand]

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This is a call for nominations to a member-initiated election
of a lead for the Proxy Maintainers project.

I propose the following rules and procedure for the election
 - Anyone can nominate a potential lead. Nomination should happen
   by response to this email and the deadline for nominations is
   Sunday 17th of July at 12:00 UTC

 - Only Gentoo Developers listed as part of the project as of this
   announcement can vote in the election.

 - Voting is anonymous but verifiable

 - The election happens using https://vote.heliosvoting.org and
   developers eligible to vote will receive an email from the service
   with a link to the election and a username and passphrase.

 - The voting starts no later than Monday 18th of July at 12:00 UTC
   and is open until Sunday 31st of July at 12:00 UTC.

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[gentoo-proxy-maint] Re: Proxy Maintainers lead election: Call for nomination

[Kristian Fiskerstrand]

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On 06/30/2016 01:02 AM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
> This is a call for nominations to a member-initiated election
> of a lead for the Proxy Maintainers project.
> 
> I propose the following rules and procedure for the election
>  - Anyone can nominate a potential lead. Nomination should happen
>    by response to this email and the deadline for nominations is
>    Sunday 17th of July at 12:00 UTC

monsieurp has been nominated as a potential lead in the IRC channel by u
/ dwfreed.

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Re: [gentoo-proxy-maint] Proxy Maintainers lead election: Call for nomination

[Kristian Fiskerstrand]

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On 06/30/2016 01:02 AM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
> This is a call for nominations to a member-initiated election
> of a lead for the Proxy Maintainers project.
> 
> I propose the following rules and procedure for the election
>  - Anyone can nominate a potential lead. Nomination should happen
>    by response to this email and the deadline for nominations is
>    Sunday 17th of July at 12:00 UTC
> 
>  - Only Gentoo Developers listed as part of the project as of this
>    announcement can vote in the election.
> 
>  - Voting is anonymous but verifiable
> 
>  - The election happens using https://vote.heliosvoting.org and
>    developers eligible to vote will receive an email from the service
>    with a link to the election and a username and passphrase.
> 
>  - The voting starts no later than Monday 18th of July at 12:00 UTC
>    and is open until Sunday 31st of July at 12:00 UTC.
> 

Additionally a nominee will have to accept participation in the election
by a response to the proxy-maint@gentoo.org alias

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Re: [gentoo-proxy-maint] Proxy Maintainers lead election: Call for nomination

[Kristian Fiskerstrand]

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On 06/30/2016 02:04 AM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
> On 06/30/2016 01:02 AM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
>> This is a call for nominations to a member-initiated election
>> of a lead for the Proxy Maintainers project.
>>
>> I propose the following rules and procedure for the election
>>  - Anyone can nominate a potential lead. Nomination should happen
>>    by response to this email and the deadline for nominations is
>>    Sunday 17th of July at 12:00 UTC
>>
>>  - Only Gentoo Developers listed as part of the project as of this
>>    announcement can vote in the election.
>>
>>  - Voting is anonymous but verifiable
>>
>>  - The election happens using https://vote.heliosvoting.org and
>>    developers eligible to vote will receive an email from the service
>>    with a link to the election and a username and passphrase.
>>
>>  - The voting starts no later than Monday 18th of July at 12:00 UTC
>>    and is open until Sunday 31st of July at 12:00 UTC.
>>
> 
> Additionally a nominee will have to accept participation in the election
> by a response to the proxy-maint@gentoo.org alias
> 

Reminder on nomination period expiring in a few days. So far I've
recorded only one accepted nomination

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Re: [gentoo-proxy-maint] Proxy Maintainers lead election: Call for nomination

[NP-Hardass]

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On 07/13/2016 06:26 AM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
> On 06/30/2016 02:04 AM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
>> On 06/30/2016 01:02 AM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
>>> This is a call for nominations to a member-initiated election
>>> of a lead for the Proxy Maintainers project.
>>>
>>> I propose the following rules and procedure for the election
>>>  - Anyone can nominate a potential lead. Nomination should happen
>>>    by response to this email and the deadline for nominations is
>>>    Sunday 17th of July at 12:00 UTC
>>>
>>>  - Only Gentoo Developers listed as part of the project as of this
>>>    announcement can vote in the election.
>>>
>>>  - Voting is anonymous but verifiable
>>>
>>>  - The election happens using https://vote.heliosvoting.org and
>>>    developers eligible to vote will receive an email from the service
>>>    with a link to the election and a username and passphrase.
>>>
>>>  - The voting starts no later than Monday 18th of July at 12:00 UTC
>>>    and is open until Sunday 31st of July at 12:00 UTC.
>>>
>>
>> Additionally a nominee will have to accept participation in the election
>> by a response to the proxy-maint@gentoo.org alias
>>
> 
> Reminder on nomination period expiring in a few days. So far I've
> recorded only one accepted nomination
> 

We've already discussed the legitimacy of the "no-lead" option and your
personal opinions that we *should* have a lead are different than
whether we *must* have a lead.  If you opt not to include this in the
election that you are facilitation, there is no point in considering
this valid or binding.

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Re: [gentoo-proxy-maint] Proxy Maintainers lead election: Call for nomination

[NP-Hardass]

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On 07/13/2016 01:39 PM, NP-Hardass wrote:
> On 07/13/2016 06:26 AM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
>> On 06/30/2016 02:04 AM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
>>> On 06/30/2016 01:02 AM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
>>>> This is a call for nominations to a member-initiated election
>>>> of a lead for the Proxy Maintainers project.
>>>>
>>>> I propose the following rules and procedure for the election
>>>>  - Anyone can nominate a potential lead. Nomination should happen
>>>>    by response to this email and the deadline for nominations is
>>>>    Sunday 17th of July at 12:00 UTC
>>>>
>>>>  - Only Gentoo Developers listed as part of the project as of this
>>>>    announcement can vote in the election.
>>>>
>>>>  - Voting is anonymous but verifiable
>>>>
>>>>  - The election happens using https://vote.heliosvoting.org and
>>>>    developers eligible to vote will receive an email from the service
>>>>    with a link to the election and a username and passphrase.
>>>>
>>>>  - The voting starts no later than Monday 18th of July at 12:00 UTC
>>>>    and is open until Sunday 31st of July at 12:00 UTC.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Additionally a nominee will have to accept participation in the election
>>> by a response to the proxy-maint@gentoo.org alias
>>>
>>
>> Reminder on nomination period expiring in a few days. So far I've
>> recorded only one accepted nomination
>>
> 
> We've already discussed the legitimacy of the "no-lead" option and your
> personal opinions that we *should* have a lead are different than
> whether we *must* have a lead.  If you opt not to include this in the
> election that you are facilitation, there is no point in considering
> this valid or binding.
> 
s/facilitation/facilitating/

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Re: [gentoo-proxy-maint] Proxy Maintainers lead election: Call for nomination

[Wes Cilldhaire]

Holding an election and reminding other nominees that there's only 1's accepted so far does not preclude the 'no lead' option, I think you might be jumping the gun slightly NP.

Cheers,
Wes


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From: "NP-Hardass" <NP-Hardass@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-proxy-maint@lists.gentoo.org
Sent: Thursday, 14 July, 2016 3:39:16 AM
Subject: Re: [gentoo-proxy-maint] Proxy Maintainers lead election: Call for nomination

On 07/13/2016 06:26 AM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
> On 06/30/2016 02:04 AM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
>> On 06/30/2016 01:02 AM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
>>> This is a call for nominations to a member-initiated election
>>> of a lead for the Proxy Maintainers project.
>>>
>>> I propose the following rules and procedure for the election
>>>  - Anyone can nominate a potential lead. Nomination should happen
>>>    by response to this email and the deadline for nominations is
>>>    Sunday 17th of July at 12:00 UTC
>>>
>>>  - Only Gentoo Developers listed as part of the project as of this
>>>    announcement can vote in the election.
>>>
>>>  - Voting is anonymous but verifiable
>>>
>>>  - The election happens using https://vote.heliosvoting.org and
>>>    developers eligible to vote will receive an email from the service
>>>    with a link to the election and a username and passphrase.
>>>
>>>  - The voting starts no later than Monday 18th of July at 12:00 UTC
>>>    and is open until Sunday 31st of July at 12:00 UTC.
>>>
>>
>> Additionally a nominee will have to accept participation in the election
>> by a response to the proxy-maint@gentoo.org alias
>>
> 
> Reminder on nomination period expiring in a few days. So far I've
> recorded only one accepted nomination
> 

We've already discussed the legitimacy of the "no-lead" option and your
personal opinions that we *should* have a lead are different than
whether we *must* have a lead.  If you opt not to include this in the
election that you are facilitation, there is no point in considering
this valid or binding.

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Re: [gentoo-proxy-maint] Proxy Maintainers lead election: Call for nomination

[Kristian Fiskerstrand]

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On 07/14/2016 04:43 AM, Wes Cilldhaire wrote:
> Holding an election and reminding other nominees that there's only
> 1's accepted so far does not preclude the 'no lead' option, I think
> you might be jumping the gun slightly NP.

Irrespective of that , I won't continue facilitating this election given
the level of debate. If the proxy maint project wants to violate GLEP 39
it is up to the project

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Re: [gentoo-proxy-maint] Proxy Maintainers lead election: Call for nomination

[Wes Cilldhaire]

Sorry to hear that.  Thanks for your efforts thus far.

Cheers,
Wes

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From: "Kristian Fiskerstrand" <k_f@gentoo.org>
To: "Wes Cilldhaire" <wes@sol1.com.au>, "NP-Hardass" <NP-Hardass@gentoo.org>
Cc: gentoo-proxy-maint@lists.gentoo.org
Sent: Friday, 15 July, 2016 6:32:31 PM
Subject: Re: [gentoo-proxy-maint] Proxy Maintainers lead election: Call for nomination

On 07/14/2016 04:43 AM, Wes Cilldhaire wrote:
> Holding an election and reminding other nominees that there's only
> 1's accepted so far does not preclude the 'no lead' option, I think
> you might be jumping the gun slightly NP.

Irrespective of that , I won't continue facilitating this election given
the level of debate. If the proxy maint project wants to violate GLEP 39
it is up to the project

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Re: [gentoo-proxy-maint] Proxy Maintainers lead election: Call for nomination

[Amy Winston]

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Thank you very much for all your effort on this matter. I will take it
from here and try to held elections. We have no intentions to violate GLEP.

Still the same rules:

This is a call for nominations to a member-initiated election
of a lead for the Proxy Maintainers project.

I propose the following rules and procedure for the election
 - Anyone can nominate a potential lead. Nomination should happen
   by response to this email and the deadline for nominations is
   Sunday 17th of July at 12:00 UTC

 - Only Gentoo Developers listed as part of the project as of this
   announcement can vote in the election.

 - Voting is anonymous but verifiable

 - The election happens using https://vote.heliosvoting.org and
   developers eligible to vote will receive an email from the service
   with a link to the election and a username and passphrase.

 - The voting starts no later than Monday 18th of July at 12:00 UTC
   and is open until Sunday 31st of July at 12:00 UTC.


Wait for incoming team members !

Cheers,
Amy


On 07/15/2016 10:32 AM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
> On 07/14/2016 04:43 AM, Wes Cilldhaire wrote:
>> Holding an election and reminding other nominees that there's only
>> 1's accepted so far does not preclude the 'no lead' option, I think
>> you might be jumping the gun slightly NP.
> 
> Irrespective of that , I won't continue facilitating this election given
> the level of debate. If the proxy maint project wants to violate GLEP 39
> it is up to the project
> 


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Re: [gentoo-proxy-maint] Proxy Maintainers lead election: Call for nomination

[NP-Hardass]

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On 07/15/2016 04:32 AM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
> On 07/14/2016 04:43 AM, Wes Cilldhaire wrote:
>> Holding an election and reminding other nominees that there's only
>> 1's accepted so far does not preclude the 'no lead' option, I think
>> you might be jumping the gun slightly NP.
> 
> Irrespective of that , I won't continue facilitating this election given
> the level of debate. If the proxy maint project wants to violate GLEP 39
> it is up to the project
> 

You posted clarification from the council that shows that the council
ruled on the matter that the council will not force a project to have or
not have a leader.  It's up to what works for the project.  Now, as a
result, not having a leader is a valid and compliant choice for this
project.  You are entitled to want a lead, and as part of the
"manifesto" period, you can argue that we are better off with a lead
than not.  But a "no lead" option, as per your submitted evidence, is
A-OK from the council's standpoint.

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Re: [gentoo-proxy-maint] Proxy Maintainers lead election: Call for nomination

[Göktürk Yüksek]

Hi,

Kristian Fiskerstrand:
> This is a call for nominations to a member-initiated election
> of a lead for the Proxy Maintainers project.
> 

I propose "no-lead" to be an option to run the project officially
without a leader.

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Re: [gentoo-proxy-maint] Proxy Maintainers lead election: Call for nomination

[Kristian Fiskerstrand]

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On 06/30/2016 02:05 AM, Göktürk Yüksek wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Kristian Fiskerstrand:
>> This is a call for nominations to a member-initiated election
>> of a lead for the Proxy Maintainers project.
>>
> 
> I propose "no-lead" to be an option to run the project officially
> without a leader.
> 

A lead is required for gentoo projects, so thats not an option.


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Re: [gentoo-proxy-maint] Proxy Maintainers lead election: Call for nomination

[Kristian Fiskerstrand]

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On 06/30/2016 09:39 PM, Manuel Rüger wrote:
> On 30.06.2016 02:06, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
>> On 06/30/2016 02:05 AM, Göktürk Yüksek wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Kristian Fiskerstrand:
>>>> This is a call for nominations to a member-initiated election
>>>> of a lead for the Proxy Maintainers project.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I propose "no-lead" to be an option to run the project officially
>>> without a leader.
>>>
>>
>> A lead is required for gentoo projects, so thats not an option.
>>
>>
> Just being curious, is there a GLEP that defines this?

GLEP 39, " It may have one or many leads, and the leads are selected by
the members of the project. This selection must occur at least once
every 12 months, and may occur at any time."


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Re: [gentoo-proxy-maint] Proxy Maintainers lead election: Call for nomination

[NP-Hardass]

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On 06/30/2016 03:43 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
> On 06/30/2016 09:39 PM, Manuel Rüger wrote:
>> On 30.06.2016 02:06, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
>>> On 06/30/2016 02:05 AM, Göktürk Yüksek wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Kristian Fiskerstrand:
>>>>> This is a call for nominations to a member-initiated election
>>>>> of a lead for the Proxy Maintainers project.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I propose "no-lead" to be an option to run the project officially
>>>> without a leader.
>>>>
>>>
>>> A lead is required for gentoo projects, so thats not an option.
>>>
>>>
>> Just being curious, is there a GLEP that defines this?
> 
> GLEP 39, " It may have one or many leads, and the leads are selected by
> the members of the project. This selection must occur at least once
> every 12 months, and may occur at any time."
> 
> 

My interpretation of this statement is "may" means optional.  It doesn't
say must have at least one lead.

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Re: [gentoo-proxy-maint] Proxy Maintainers lead election: Call for nomination

[Kristian Fiskerstrand]

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On 06/30/2016 09:52 PM, NP-Hardass wrote:
> On 06/30/2016 03:43 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
>> On 06/30/2016 09:39 PM, Manuel Rüger wrote:
>>> On 30.06.2016 02:06, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
>>>> On 06/30/2016 02:05 AM, Göktürk Yüksek wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Kristian Fiskerstrand:
>>>>>> This is a call for nominations to a member-initiated election
>>>>>> of a lead for the Proxy Maintainers project.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I propose "no-lead" to be an option to run the project officially
>>>>> without a leader.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A lead is required for gentoo projects, so thats not an option.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Just being curious, is there a GLEP that defines this?
>>
>> GLEP 39, " It may have one or many leads, and the leads are selected by
>> the members of the project. This selection must occur at least once
>> every 12 months, and may occur at any time."
>>
>>
> 
> My interpretation of this statement is "may" means optional.  It doesn't
> say must have at least one lead.
> 

May refers to the choice of 1 or multiple

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Re: [gentoo-proxy-maint] Proxy Maintainers lead election: Call for nomination

[Kristian Fiskerstrand]

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On 06/30/2016 10:00 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
> On 06/30/2016 09:52 PM, NP-Hardass wrote:
>> On 06/30/2016 03:43 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
>>> On 06/30/2016 09:39 PM, Manuel Rüger wrote:
>>>> On 30.06.2016 02:06, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
>>>>> On 06/30/2016 02:05 AM, Göktürk Yüksek wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kristian Fiskerstrand:
>>>>>>> This is a call for nominations to a member-initiated election
>>>>>>> of a lead for the Proxy Maintainers project.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I propose "no-lead" to be an option to run the project officially
>>>>>> without a leader.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A lead is required for gentoo projects, so thats not an option.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Just being curious, is there a GLEP that defines this?
>>>
>>> GLEP 39, " It may have one or many leads, and the leads are selected by
>>> the members of the project. This selection must occur at least once
>>> every 12 months, and may occur at any time."
>>>
>>>
>>
>> My interpretation of this statement is "may" means optional.  It doesn't
>> say must have at least one lead.
>>
> 
> May refers to the choice of 1 or multiple
> 

See also
https://projects.gentoo.org/council/meeting-logs/20150913-summary.txt

2. Projects without a lead, lead elections
==========================================

The wording of GLEP 39 was found to be unclear if not confusing (it
states that a project "may have one or many leads", and that their
selection "must occur at least once every 12 months").

After discussion the following points were agreed upon:
* The Gentoo Wiki project page template should be enhanced to show the
  last lead election date for each project.
* The council sends an e-mail to the gentoo-project mailing list asking
  projects to consider electing a lead and confirming her/him regularly.




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Re: [gentoo-proxy-maint] Proxy Maintainers lead election: Call for nomination

[NP-Hardass]

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On 06/30/2016 04:04 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
> On 06/30/2016 10:00 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
>> On 06/30/2016 09:52 PM, NP-Hardass wrote:
>>> On 06/30/2016 03:43 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
>>>> On 06/30/2016 09:39 PM, Manuel Rüger wrote:
>>>>> On 30.06.2016 02:06, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
>>>>>> On 06/30/2016 02:05 AM, Göktürk Yüksek wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kristian Fiskerstrand:
>>>>>>>> This is a call for nominations to a member-initiated election
>>>>>>>> of a lead for the Proxy Maintainers project.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I propose "no-lead" to be an option to run the project officially
>>>>>>> without a leader.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A lead is required for gentoo projects, so thats not an option.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Just being curious, is there a GLEP that defines this?
>>>>
>>>> GLEP 39, " It may have one or many leads, and the leads are selected by
>>>> the members of the project. This selection must occur at least once
>>>> every 12 months, and may occur at any time."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> My interpretation of this statement is "may" means optional.  It doesn't
>>> say must have at least one lead.
>>>
>>
>> May refers to the choice of 1 or multiple
>>
> 
> See also
> https://projects.gentoo.org/council/meeting-logs/20150913-summary.txt
> 
> 2. Projects without a lead, lead elections
> ==========================================
> 
> The wording of GLEP 39 was found to be unclear if not confusing (it
> states that a project "may have one or many leads", and that their
> selection "must occur at least once every 12 months").
> 
> After discussion the following points were agreed upon:
> * The Gentoo Wiki project page template should be enhanced to show the
>   last lead election date for each project.
> * The council sends an e-mail to the gentoo-project mailing list asking
>   projects to consider electing a lead and confirming her/him regularly.
> 
> 
> 
> 
I have to go to a work meeting, so I'll read the summary later, ubt the
only two points that were agreed upon were that it should show the
election date and that the council should ask them to *consider*
electing a lead.  Not force them to do so.

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Re: [gentoo-proxy-maint] Proxy Maintainers lead election: Call for nomination

[Kristian Fiskerstrand]

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On 06/30/2016 10:12 PM, NP-Hardass wrote:
> On 06/30/2016 04:04 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
>> On 06/30/2016 10:00 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
>>> On 06/30/2016 09:52 PM, NP-Hardass wrote:
>>>> On 06/30/2016 03:43 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
>>>>> On 06/30/2016 09:39 PM, Manuel Rüger wrote:
>>>>>> On 30.06.2016 02:06, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
>>>>>>> On 06/30/2016 02:05 AM, Göktürk Yüksek wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>


>>
> I have to go to a work meeting, so I'll read the summary later, ubt the
> only two points that were agreed upon were that it should show the
> election date and that the council should ask them to *consider*
> electing a lead.  Not force them to do so.
> 

Thats a nice way of saying please do so :) The actual email that went
out is
https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/message/0ddae87c0b9c1fcc488063ea6b3370c5

> he Council would like to encourage all projects to record who the leads 
> are and when the last election took place on the project pages of the 
> wiki.  Having said that, the council understands that not all projects 
> strictly adhere to GLEP 39: they either operate without a lead or they 
> don't hold regular elections.  If this is working for a project, then it

which recognizes the GLEP requirement, however, there won't be any
direct sanction for not having one in the general case.

> is not our purpose to tell you to change your practice.  However, if a 
> project does have a lead and elections are regularly held, please note 
> that on the project home page.  We're hoping to track the leads so that 
> we have a point of contact for each project.

Proxy maint is coordination point between multiple groups in the
community and certainly should adhere to GLEP 39.

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Re: [gentoo-proxy-maint] Proxy Maintainers lead election: Call for nomination

[NP-Hardass]

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On June 30, 2016 4:19:07 PM EDT, Kristian Fiskerstrand <k_f@gentoo.org> wrote:
>On 06/30/2016 10:12 PM, NP-Hardass wrote:
>> On 06/30/2016 04:04 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
>>> On 06/30/2016 10:00 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
>>>> On 06/30/2016 09:52 PM, NP-Hardass wrote:
>>>>> On 06/30/2016 03:43 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
>>>>>> On 06/30/2016 09:39 PM, Manuel Rüger wrote:
>>>>>>> On 30.06.2016 02:06, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 06/30/2016 02:05 AM, Göktürk Yüksek wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>
>
>>>
>> I have to go to a work meeting, so I'll read the summary later, ubt
>the
>> only two points that were agreed upon were that it should show the
>> election date and that the council should ask them to *consider*
>> electing a lead.  Not force them to do so.
>> 
>
>Thats a nice way of saying please do so :) The actual email that went
>out is
>https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/message/0ddae87c0b9c1fcc488063ea6b3370c5
>
>> he Council would like to encourage all projects to record who the
>leads 
>> are and when the last election took place on the project pages of the
>
>> wiki.  Having said that, the council understands that not all
>projects 
>> strictly adhere to GLEP 39: they either operate without a lead or
>they 
>> don't hold regular elections.  If this is working for a project, then
>it
>
>which recognizes the GLEP requirement, however, there won't be any
>direct sanction for not having one in the general case.
>
>> is not our purpose to tell you to change your practice.  However, if
>a 
>> project does have a lead and elections are regularly held, please
>note 
>> that on the project home page.  We're hoping to track the leads so
>that 
>> we have a point of contact for each project.
>
>Proxy maint is coordination point between multiple groups in the
>community and certainly should adhere to GLEP 39.
>
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>Kristian Fiskerstrand
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This still reinforces that we don't NEED to have a lead. Gokturk's proposal for a "no lead" option is thus valid and must be honored. Since no one can "accept" that nomination, I second it, making it effective.
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NP-Hardass

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Re: [gentoo-proxy-maint] Proxy Maintainers lead election: Call for nomination

[Kristian Fiskerstrand]

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On 06/30/2016 11:15 PM, Manuel Rüger wrote:
> Another option would be to decide to have as many slots for "leaders"
> and make everyone a leader, if we really have to follow GLEP-39.
> Maybe let's decide on the numbers of slots first.

That would be compliant, although the number of leads should normally
reflect division of responsibilities to some extent.

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Re: [gentoo-proxy-maint] Proxy Maintainers lead election: Call for nomination

[M. J. Everitt]

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On 30/06/16 21:00, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
> On 06/30/2016 09:52 PM, NP-Hardass wrote:
>> On 06/30/2016 03:43 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
>>> On 06/30/2016 09:39 PM, Manuel Rüger wrote:
>>>> On 30.06.2016 02:06, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
>>>>> On 06/30/2016 02:05 AM, Göktürk Yüksek wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kristian Fiskerstrand:
>>>>>>> This is a call for nominations to a member-initiated election
>>>>>>> of a lead for the Proxy Maintainers project.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I propose "no-lead" to be an option to run the project officially
>>>>>> without a leader.
>>>>>>
>>>>> A lead is required for gentoo projects, so thats not an option.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Just being curious, is there a GLEP that defines this?
>>> GLEP 39, " It may have one or many leads, and the leads are selected by
>>> the members of the project. This selection must occur at least once
>>> every 12 months, and may occur at any time."
>>>
>>>
>> My interpretation of this statement is "may" means optional.  It doesn't
>> say must have at least one lead.
>>
> May refers to the choice of 1 or multiple
>
I think most would better understand the use of *must* rather than *may*
would have a clearer meaning if the interpretation was intended as
Kristian suggests. In lieu of additional consultation on the subject, I
suggest the project uses the wording as is, and as others have confirmed
the interpretation of 'may' is preserved as indicating an option rather
than enforcing a mandate.

MJE


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Re: [gentoo-proxy-maint] Proxy Maintainers lead election: Call for nomination

[M. J. Everitt]

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On 01/07/16 18:34, M. J. Everitt wrote:
> On 30/06/16 21:00, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
>> On 06/30/2016 09:52 PM, NP-Hardass wrote:
>>> On 06/30/2016 03:43 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
>>>> On 06/30/2016 09:39 PM, Manuel Rüger wrote:
>>>>> On 30.06.2016 02:06, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
>>>>>> On 06/30/2016 02:05 AM, Göktürk Yüksek wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kristian Fiskerstrand:
>>>>>>>> This is a call for nominations to a member-initiated election
>>>>>>>> of a lead for the Proxy Maintainers project.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I propose "no-lead" to be an option to run the project officially
>>>>>>> without a leader.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> A lead is required for gentoo projects, so thats not an option.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Just being curious, is there a GLEP that defines this?
>>>> GLEP 39, " It may have one or many leads, and the leads are selected by
>>>> the members of the project. This selection must occur at least once
>>>> every 12 months, and may occur at any time."
>>>>
>>>>
>>> My interpretation of this statement is "may" means optional.  It doesn't
>>> say must have at least one lead.
>>>
>> May refers to the choice of 1 or multiple
>>
> I think most would better understand the use of *must* rather than *may*
> would have a clearer meaning if the interpretation was intended as
> Kristian suggests. In lieu of additional consultation on the subject, I
> suggest the project uses the wording as is, and as others have confirmed
> the interpretation of 'may' is preserved as indicating an option rather
> than enforcing a mandate.
>
> MJE
>
Incidentally, if it is desired to change the GLEP - that is an entirely
different topic, and as such would have to be ratified by the Gentoo
council.

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Re: [gentoo-proxy-maint] Proxy Maintainers lead election: Call for nomination

[Michał Górny]

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On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 02:06:13 +0200
Kristian Fiskerstrand <k_f@gentoo.org> wrote:

> On 06/30/2016 02:05 AM, Göktürk Yüksek wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Kristian Fiskerstrand:  
> >> This is a call for nominations to a member-initiated election
> >> of a lead for the Proxy Maintainers project.
> >>  
> > 
> > I propose "no-lead" to be an option to run the project officially
> > without a leader.
> >   
> 
> A lead is required for gentoo projects, so thats not an option.

I don't think this is actually true, or at least I recently recall of
that being an option. We are obligated to perform some kind of lead
selection but no specific lead is as good as many leads.

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Best regards,
Michał Górny
<http://dev.gentoo.org/~mgorny/>

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Re: [gentoo-proxy-maint] Proxy Maintainers lead election: Call for nomination

[Wes Cilldhaire]

Wraeth and Kensington, assuming Kensington isn't already overloaded


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kristian Fiskerstrand" <k_f@gentoo.org>
To: proxy-maint@gentoo.org, gentoo-proxy-maint@lists.gentoo.org
Sent: Thursday, 30 June, 2016 9:02:56 AM
Subject: [gentoo-proxy-maint] Proxy Maintainers lead election: Call for nomination

This is a call for nominations to a member-initiated election
of a lead for the Proxy Maintainers project.

I propose the following rules and procedure for the election
 - Anyone can nominate a potential lead. Nomination should happen
   by response to this email and the deadline for nominations is
   Sunday 17th of July at 12:00 UTC

 - Only Gentoo Developers listed as part of the project as of this
   announcement can vote in the election.

 - Voting is anonymous but verifiable

 - The election happens using https://vote.heliosvoting.org and
   developers eligible to vote will receive an email from the service
   with a link to the election and a username and passphrase.

 - The voting starts no later than Monday 18th of July at 12:00 UTC
   and is open until Sunday 31st of July at 12:00 UTC.

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Re: [gentoo-proxy-maint] Proxy Maintainers lead election: Call for nomination

[Sam Jorna]

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On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 10:20:15AM +1000, Wes Cilldhaire wrote:
> Wraeth and Kensington, assuming Kensington isn't already overloaded

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 09:48:30AM +0200, Amy Winston wrote:
> Hello to all ! :)
> 
> I nominate following :
> dlan
> gokturk
> kensington
> maksbotan
> monsieurp
> np-hardass
> tamiko
> titanofold
> wraeth

Thanks for the nomination. I've been somewhat busy of late with studies and
other IRL events, but I expect this to ease a little before long. Therefore, I
accept the nomination.

Thanks!
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Sam Jorna (wraeth)
GnuPG Key: D6180C26

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[gentoo-proxy-maint] Re: Proxy Maintainers lead election: Call for nomination

[Amy Winston]

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Hello to all ! :)

I nominate following :
dlan
gokturk
kensington
maksbotan
monsieurp
np-hardass
tamiko
titanofold
wraeth
xmw
zlogene

Cheers !!

On 06/30/2016 01:02 AM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
> This is a call for nominations to a member-initiated election
> of a lead for the Proxy Maintainers project.
> 
> I propose the following rules and procedure for the election
>  - Anyone can nominate a potential lead. Nomination should happen
>    by response to this email and the deadline for nominations is
>    Sunday 17th of July at 12:00 UTC
> 
>  - Only Gentoo Developers listed as part of the project as of this
>    announcement can vote in the election.
> 
>  - Voting is anonymous but verifiable
> 
>  - The election happens using https://vote.heliosvoting.org and
>    developers eligible to vote will receive an email from the service
>    with a link to the election and a username and passphrase.
> 
>  - The voting starts no later than Monday 18th of July at 12:00 UTC
>    and is open until Sunday 31st of July at 12:00 UTC.
> 


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