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From: Ulrich Mueller <ulm@gentoo.org>
To: Thomas Deutschmann <whissi@gentoo.org>
Cc: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees: Council demands on maintainers & council legal liability
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2019 18:37:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <w6glfxdvjqs.fsf@kph.uni-mainz.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <41c7f00e-363b-8fa1-195c-3973b9e8b0b6@gentoo.org> (Thomas Deutschmann's message of "Thu, 4 Jul 2019 15:36:20 +0200")

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>>>>> On Thu, 04 Jul 2019, Thomas Deutschmann wrote:

> For the records: When I read mgorny's statement I got a different
> message in first place. Do you remind the sys-firmware/intel-microcode
> license hick hack around ~2018-08-23? As maintainer and as a person with
> some insights I *knew* that Intel was going to revert that license
> change. Therefore I didn't want to rev bump package for just a few hours
> or days to avoid causing unnecessary work for all of us, including
> Gentoo users.

Sorry, I don't understand. If you knew in advance (how?) that Intel was
going to revert, why had you added an ebuild for that 20180807 snapshot
version with the restrictive terms, in the first place [3]?

Also with the information available at that point, we had to assume that
redistribution of that particular microcode-20180807.tgz tarball was not
allowed, so the ebuild should have had mirror restriction.

>               What happened? A trustee went forward and did that change
> on behalf of trustees ("copyright is trustee territory") against my will
> [1]. A few hours later, as I had 'predicted', Intel finally publicly
> announced that the license change will be reverted and I was able to
> revert that commit [2]. The message I got from reading mgorny's
> *Trustee* manifesto is, that he doesn't like such an interference (which
> will bring us to your second question).

I agree that immediately assigning bug 664134 [4] to Trustees seems a
little strange. Normally, such simple mistakes should be worked out with
the maintainer, and only escalated to Trustees if (e.g.) a decision of
general principle is needed.

Ulrich

> [1] https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/commit/?id=933df6
> [2] https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/commit/?id=db0abe

[3] https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/commit/?id=027f0fe01f13d654cb1aebf8b9f45006002851a8
[4] https://bugs.gentoo.org/664134

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  reply	other threads:[~2019-07-04 16:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-06-15  9:42 [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees Andrew Savchenko
2019-06-15  9:49 ` [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees: GLEP 76 Andrew Savchenko
2019-06-15 10:20   ` Ulrich Mueller
2019-06-15 16:17   ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2019-06-16 22:01   ` Thomas Deutschmann
2019-06-18 14:12   ` William Hubbs
2019-06-18 15:43     ` Luca Barbato
2019-06-18 15:47       ` William Hubbs
2019-06-24 22:18   ` Andrew Savchenko
2019-06-25  6:15     ` Michał Górny
2019-06-28 11:49       ` Andrew Savchenko
2019-06-28 12:09         ` Rich Freeman
2019-06-28 17:51           ` Andrew Savchenko
2019-06-30  4:48           ` desultory
2019-06-30 18:53             ` Rich Freeman
2019-07-01  5:02               ` desultory
2019-07-01 11:59                 ` Rich Freeman
2019-07-02  4:24                   ` desultory
2019-07-02 11:57                     ` Rich Freeman
2019-07-03  4:31                       ` desultory
2019-07-03 11:13                         ` Rich Freeman
2019-07-04  4:32                           ` desultory
2019-06-30  7:11   ` Patrick Lauer
2019-06-30  7:42     ` Michał Górny
2019-06-30  8:03       ` Patrick Lauer
2019-06-30 22:27         ` Robin H. Johnson
2019-07-01  1:31           ` Thomas Deutschmann
2019-06-15 10:00 ` [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees: Power balance Andrew Savchenko
2019-06-15 10:34   ` Ulrich Mueller
2019-06-15 21:25   ` Andreas K. Huettel
2019-06-16  7:31   ` Mikle Kolyada
2019-06-16 15:56   ` Roy Bamford
2019-06-16 22:18   ` Thomas Deutschmann
2019-06-17  1:38   ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2019-06-18 14:41   ` William Hubbs
2019-06-30  7:26   ` Patrick Lauer
2019-06-15 10:24 ` [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees: Bringing new people Andrew Savchenko
2019-06-15 16:24   ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2019-06-15 21:23   ` Andreas K. Huettel
2019-06-16 18:51   ` Mikle Kolyada
2019-06-16 22:21   ` Thomas Deutschmann
2019-06-19  2:39   ` William Hubbs
2019-06-16 18:09 ` [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees: Gentoo as hobbyist distro Michał Górny
2019-06-16 19:13   ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2019-06-16 22:39   ` Thomas Deutschmann
2019-06-19  6:24   ` Mikle Kolyada
2019-06-19 15:45     ` William Hubbs
2019-06-21 14:55       ` Mikle Kolyada
2019-06-19 14:32   ` William Hubbs
2019-06-20 14:48   ` Andreas K. Huettel
2019-06-21 13:21 ` [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees: your achievements Michał Górny
2019-06-21 20:46   ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2019-06-21 22:59   ` Georgy Yakovlev
2019-06-22  6:44   ` Ulrich Mueller
2019-06-22  7:06     ` Michał Górny
2019-06-22 22:57   ` Mikle Kolyada
2019-06-24 11:05     ` Mart Raudsepp
2019-06-24 11:25 ` [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees: traits of a good Council member Michał Górny
2019-06-24 23:23 ` [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees: Gentoo Foundation Robin H. Johnson
2019-06-26 19:45   ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2019-06-26 21:54     ` Matthew Thode
2019-06-26 22:03       ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2019-06-26 22:06         ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2019-06-26 22:13           ` Matthew Thode
2019-06-26 22:28             ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2019-06-30 19:21             ` Andreas K. Huettel
2019-06-26 22:08         ` Matthew Thode
2019-06-26 22:15         ` Michael Everitt
2019-06-26 22:22           ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2019-06-28 23:49           ` Andreas K. Huettel
     [not found]             ` <20190630215422.GA22747@bubba.lan>
2019-06-30 21:55               ` Aaron Bauman
2019-07-01  7:50                 ` Michał Górny
2019-07-01  9:31                   ` Roy Bamford
2019-07-01  9:52                     ` Michał Górny
2019-07-01 10:02                       ` Michael Everitt
2019-07-01 10:04                         ` Michael Everitt
2019-07-01 19:42                         ` Andreas K. Huettel
2019-07-01 19:44                           ` Andreas K. Huettel
2019-07-01 20:10                             ` Alec Warner
2019-07-01 21:14                               ` Roy Bamford
2019-07-02 12:40                                 ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2019-07-01 11:26                       ` Roy Bamford
2019-07-01 12:07                         ` Rich Freeman
2019-07-01 19:34                         ` Andreas K. Huettel
2019-07-03  4:42                           ` desultory
2019-07-03  6:12                           ` [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees: Gentoo Foundation - Treasurer Response! Robin H. Johnson
2019-07-03  9:51                             ` Michael Everitt
2019-07-03 10:47                             ` Rich Freeman
2019-07-03 11:05                               ` Michael Everitt
2019-07-03 11:22                                 ` Rich Freeman
2019-07-03 11:27                               ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2019-07-03 12:27                                 ` Rich Freeman
2019-07-03 13:45                                   ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2019-07-03 12:56                             ` [gentoo-nfp] " Michał Górny
2019-07-03 13:08                               ` Rich Freeman
2019-07-03 13:17                                 ` Michał Górny
     [not found]                                 ` <20190703143429.yfieiru7cyykr5ca@gentoo.org>
     [not found]                                   ` <6b84c0a026551472a05e776921182ba8dae6fb1e.camel@gentoo.org>
     [not found]                                     ` <138757e484f751d567fb2702ce27de3e3e215a15.camel@gentoo.org>
2019-07-04  2:05                                       ` [gentoo-nfp] Re: [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees: Gentoo Foundation - Treasurer Response! (part 2) Robin H. Johnson
2019-06-30 10:36 ` [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees Roy Bamford
2019-06-30 16:48   ` Thomas Deutschmann
2019-06-30 20:17   ` Andreas K. Huettel
2019-07-04  2:14 ` [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees: Council demands on maintainers & council legal liability Robin H. Johnson
2019-07-04  6:26   ` Michał Górny
2019-07-04  8:03   ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2019-07-04 20:33     ` Alec Warner
2019-07-04 23:46       ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2019-07-06  2:54         ` desultory
2019-07-04 13:36   ` Thomas Deutschmann
2019-07-04 16:37     ` Ulrich Mueller [this message]
2019-07-04 18:49       ` Thomas Deutschmann
2019-07-04 19:22         ` Ulrich Mueller

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