From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5CE3B138334 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 09:16:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CE0B4E0AA0; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 09:16:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C9C9E0A9F for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 09:16:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from a1i15 (host2092.kph.uni-mainz.de [134.93.134.92]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: ulm) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 71223335C39; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 09:16:12 +0000 (UTC) From: Ulrich Mueller To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] rfc: copyright attribution clarifications References: <20181113183242.GA26771@whubbs1.gaikai.biz> <20181114024643.GA15537@linux1.home> <20181114114739.23491a58@scorpius> <20181115153537.GB18539@linux1.home> <20181115185003.GA26382@whubbs1.gaikai.biz> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 10:16:04 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20181115185003.GA26382@whubbs1.gaikai.biz> (William Hubbs's message of "Thu, 15 Nov 2018 12:50:03 -0600") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 3949d573-1bf8-4974-8744-8696b324162f X-Archives-Hash: d8c552d28e45845aea1ba692d3d0c334 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018, William Hubbs wrote: > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 06:50:52PM +0100, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> | * Notice identifies the copyright owner at the time the work was >> | first published for parties seeking permission to use the work. >> | * Notice identifies the year of first publication, which may be >> | used to determine the term of copyright protection in the case of >> | an anonymous work, a pseudonymous work, or a work made for hire. >> | * Notice may prevent the work from becoming an orphan work by >> | identifying the copyright owner and specifying the term of the >> | copyright. >>=20 >> For "indentifying the copyright owner" nothing short of a complete >> list will suffice. Especially, a notice like the following (which >> mentions only "Gentoo Authors" and "Sony Interactive Entertainment >> Inc.") does not help with that at all (i.e., it is no better than the >> simplified notice): >> https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/tree/sys-cluster/ceph/ceph-13.= 2.2-r2.ebuild?id=3D5f77c21f23bf1c4cfb9e68be7aa27669c8146e8e#n1 > Remember that in the US, SIE is a legal entity, so it can hold > copyrights, just like a person can. It is like "Gentoo Foundation, > Inc." > So, there would be two contributors in that ebuild: "Gentoo Authors" > and SIE. There are many more contributors that aren't listed. Therefore indentifying the copyright owners is not possible without looking into the git log. And in practice identifying them won't help much, because you'd still need their contact information which may be difficult to obtain. (For example, if we wanted to relicense the tree to GPL-2 *or later*, I'd expect that contacting all contributors or their heirs would be close to impossible.) However, I don't say that we should even aim for the above three items from the copyright office's document. The point is that "Gentoo Authors" alone is sufficient to protect against the "innocent infringement" defense, and mentioning any contributor in addition does not add any value. Ulrich --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEZlHkP3TnuTbxrN0HwwkGhRxhwnMFAlvuitQACgkQwwkGhRxh wnPRiQgAqyZWH/om8Txy+0lLdJwu9T2eUPl+9ONbHo2yAtJtyV/pwMXSCWZ9QSv5 0YURzUr5NZRrIWInqOZfxxl/ei/zIRUffnmk+/l4hu46zONkA++DbgUDGsbFjcyU /K5nMZF2Z3KeH+ZpOKohiJ83ck01ig/aHsrsrsrL+COyLB5u5xUWMFlakc/Djv4v UTsZw2Ccf2q0Q4oRv8Z6n0jjQSINJorZKXZiNOSAVvtPsWbidatWRs4zooxeUWs4 C2seLWhVl0X7YTdOX7dpZuPg6jflxW+vonAMyAp32TYNHy43hReRvpCd94FgAE+r lnSRkYSo+tNKCfvzSbmJPWwZW0v+ZA== =r5AD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--