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From: Ulrich Mueller <ulm@gentoo.org>
To: Alec Warner <antarus@gentoo.org>
Cc: gentoo-project <gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] rfc: copyright attribution clarifications
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2018 00:11:43 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <w6ga7lydqa8.fsf@kph.uni-mainz.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAr7Pr-8bZ2_qTKqfFv2mAwaP9J8Q-LRCf6opJ3_H8C_gWk8vA@mail.gmail.com> (Alec Warner's message of "Sat, 24 Nov 2018 14:41:32 -0500")

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>>>>> On Sat, 24 Nov 2018, Alec Warner wrote:

> I don't believe the technical arguments have much basis; instead the
> argument is about community and humanpower.

>  - There is an argument (non technical) that files in the ebuild
> repository should carry a copyright notice to signal that the content
> has a copyright.
>  - A GLEP was written (glep76) to standardize what this should be. One
> of the (unstated) goals of the GLEP is to avoid spending time managing
> the copyright declarations; so it was decided to have 2 forms, the
> short form ("Gentoo Authors") and the traditional form (for when we
> import code and cannot remove notices.)

Exactly.

> The crux of the argument is about the maintenance of these copyright
> notices; not about the bytes they occupy or the CPU time spend reading
> them.

>  - When is it allowed to add extra notices?
>  - When is it allowed to remove extra notices?

> This is ultimately the problem I think we see with the SEI
> attribution. We don't understand *why* Sony wants the notice there and
> because of that we don't understand the answers to the above.

We don't understand it because they refuse to give us an explanation.
Which is not our fault.

> What I want to avoid happening is getting sued by Sony because the
> notices were added and then later removed; but we have not received
> guidance on this and I think it blocks us moving forward.

I don't see anything in the GPL-2 that would prevent us from removing
redundant copyright notices.

For example, the FDL-1.3 requires in section 4.D. to "Preserve all the
copyright notices of the Document", and the CC-BY-SA licenses contain
similar wording. However, such a clause can neither be found in the
GPL-2 nor in the GPL-3. In fact, the GPL-3 clarifies in section 7 that
it can be *supplemented* with terms "requiring preservation of specified
reasonable legal notices or author attributions", but the license itself
doesn't require this.

Disclaimer: IANAL, TINLA.

Ulrich

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-11-24 23:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-13 18:32 [gentoo-project] rfc: copyright attribution clarifications William Hubbs
2018-11-13 18:47 ` M. J. Everitt
2018-11-14  2:17 ` Rich Freeman
2018-11-14  2:46   ` William Hubbs
2018-11-14  7:18     ` Sarah White
2018-11-14 15:58       ` Rich Freeman
2018-11-14 19:38         ` Patrick McLean
2018-11-14 23:23           ` Rich Freeman
2018-11-15  0:00             ` Patrick McLean
2018-11-15 15:03               ` Rich Freeman
2018-11-15 15:28                 ` William Hubbs
2018-11-15 15:52                 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2018-11-14  8:24     ` Ulrich Mueller
2018-11-14  8:28       ` Raymond Jennings
2018-11-14 19:47       ` Patrick McLean
2018-11-14 20:09         ` Patrick McLean
2018-11-15 13:38           ` Thomas Deutschmann
2018-11-15 22:25             ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2018-11-15  6:49         ` Ulrich Mueller
2018-11-15 15:35           ` William Hubbs
2018-11-15 17:50             ` Ulrich Mueller
2018-11-15 18:50               ` William Hubbs
2018-11-15 21:31                 ` M. J. Everitt
2018-11-15 21:56                   ` Andrew Savchenko
2018-11-16  9:16                 ` Ulrich Mueller
2018-11-14 15:50     ` Rich Freeman
2018-11-14 14:45       ` Andrew Savchenko
2018-11-14 15:24         ` Rich Freeman
2018-11-14 15:53           ` Andrew Savchenko
2018-11-23 19:21             ` Sarah White
2018-11-23 19:46               ` Rich Freeman
2018-11-23 20:23                 ` Sarah White
2018-11-23 20:25                   ` Ian Stakenvicius
2018-11-23 20:40                     ` Sarah White
2018-11-24 17:47                       ` William Hubbs
2018-11-24 18:15                         ` Sarah White
2018-11-24 19:41                         ` Alec Warner
2018-11-24 20:12                           ` Rich Freeman
2018-11-24 20:32                             ` Alec Warner
2018-11-24 21:21                               ` Rich Freeman
2018-11-26 12:01                               ` Ulrich Mueller
2018-11-26 13:36                                 ` Alec Warner
2018-11-25 20:36                             ` Matt Turner
2018-11-25 20:52                               ` William Hubbs
2018-11-25 22:58                                 ` Rich Freeman
2018-11-24 23:11                           ` Ulrich Mueller [this message]
2018-11-25  1:09                             ` Sarah White
2018-11-25  1:37                               ` Rich Freeman
2018-11-25  2:04                                 ` Sarah White
2018-11-25  2:22                                   ` Rich Freeman
2018-11-25  3:21                                     ` Sarah White
2018-11-25  6:53                                     ` Joonas Niilola
2018-11-25  2:04                         ` Matt Turner
2018-11-26 15:20                           ` William Hubbs
2018-11-26 23:12                             ` William Hubbs
2018-11-27  0:05                               ` Raymond Jennings
2018-11-27  2:38                               ` Matt Turner
2018-11-27  4:51                                 ` William Hubbs
2018-11-27  6:20                                   ` Matt Turner
2018-11-23 20:42                   ` Rich Freeman
2018-11-23 20:51                     ` Sarah White
2018-11-23 21:11                       ` Rich Freeman
2018-11-24 17:49                         ` Sarah White
2018-11-23 20:57                   ` Rich Freeman
2018-11-14 14:36   ` Andrew Savchenko
2018-11-14 15:31     ` Rich Freeman
2018-11-14 16:19       ` Andrew Savchenko
2018-11-14 18:59       ` Ian Stakenvicius
2018-11-14 19:38         ` William Hubbs
2018-11-14 20:02         ` Patrick McLean
2018-11-14 20:11           ` M. J. Everitt
2018-11-15 13:16         ` Thomas Deutschmann
2018-11-15 15:51       ` Brian Dolbec
2018-11-15 16:25         ` Thomas Deutschmann
2018-11-15 16:47           ` William Hubbs

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