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From: Ulrich Mueller <ulm@gentoo.org>
To: <gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] rfc: copyright attribution clarifications
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 13:01:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <w6g7eh0caj5.fsf@kph.uni-mainz.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAr7Pr_=hdn3vvF4xvs3NMN-d7ZQ7hf704qN+8XgfBnKqsbzDg@mail.gmail.com> (Alec Warner's message of "Sat, 24 Nov 2018 15:32:27 -0500")

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>>>>> On Sat, 24 Nov 2018, Alec Warner wrote:

> I think it is an entirely reasonable position to do the following:
>  - Not accept the SEI notices because we do not understand the grounds on
> which they are added.
>  - Ask SEI for a rationale for what the notices are meant to convey, so we
> can decide if we can support whatever that use case is; maybe its something
> we didn't consider in the GLEP.

Hm, shall we make this an agenda item for the next Council meeting?

> I don't think its reasonable to say they are mean shitheads; because the
> fact is we don't know what they want to accomplish with the notices.
> My concern is that they may later provide a reasonable use case for the
> notices and the council will just say 'well that use case is stupid because
> Sony is stupid'; because that is the message many members of the council
> are currently communicating. Why would Sony even bother if the narrative is
> the Council won't listen anyway? It looks like a waste of their time.

In the first place, they should have raised their concerns while GLEP 76
was in the making, not after it went through the approval process with
Council and Trustees. Our proposed policy was posted on the mailing list
for review, even with several iterations. Plus, they were happy with a
single line notice before, so not accepting it any longer looks like an
arbitrary move.

> I think the above proposal puts the ball clearly in SEI's court; if they
> want the notices accepted they can provide a memo detailing why. If they
> don't care, they can drop the notices or stop committing.

+1

Ulrich

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-11-26 12:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-13 18:32 [gentoo-project] rfc: copyright attribution clarifications William Hubbs
2018-11-13 18:47 ` M. J. Everitt
2018-11-14  2:17 ` Rich Freeman
2018-11-14  2:46   ` William Hubbs
2018-11-14  7:18     ` Sarah White
2018-11-14 15:58       ` Rich Freeman
2018-11-14 19:38         ` Patrick McLean
2018-11-14 23:23           ` Rich Freeman
2018-11-15  0:00             ` Patrick McLean
2018-11-15 15:03               ` Rich Freeman
2018-11-15 15:28                 ` William Hubbs
2018-11-15 15:52                 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2018-11-14  8:24     ` Ulrich Mueller
2018-11-14  8:28       ` Raymond Jennings
2018-11-14 19:47       ` Patrick McLean
2018-11-14 20:09         ` Patrick McLean
2018-11-15 13:38           ` Thomas Deutschmann
2018-11-15 22:25             ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2018-11-15  6:49         ` Ulrich Mueller
2018-11-15 15:35           ` William Hubbs
2018-11-15 17:50             ` Ulrich Mueller
2018-11-15 18:50               ` William Hubbs
2018-11-15 21:31                 ` M. J. Everitt
2018-11-15 21:56                   ` Andrew Savchenko
2018-11-16  9:16                 ` Ulrich Mueller
2018-11-14 15:50     ` Rich Freeman
2018-11-14 14:45       ` Andrew Savchenko
2018-11-14 15:24         ` Rich Freeman
2018-11-14 15:53           ` Andrew Savchenko
2018-11-23 19:21             ` Sarah White
2018-11-23 19:46               ` Rich Freeman
2018-11-23 20:23                 ` Sarah White
2018-11-23 20:25                   ` Ian Stakenvicius
2018-11-23 20:40                     ` Sarah White
2018-11-24 17:47                       ` William Hubbs
2018-11-24 18:15                         ` Sarah White
2018-11-24 19:41                         ` Alec Warner
2018-11-24 20:12                           ` Rich Freeman
2018-11-24 20:32                             ` Alec Warner
2018-11-24 21:21                               ` Rich Freeman
2018-11-26 12:01                               ` Ulrich Mueller [this message]
2018-11-26 13:36                                 ` Alec Warner
2018-11-25 20:36                             ` Matt Turner
2018-11-25 20:52                               ` William Hubbs
2018-11-25 22:58                                 ` Rich Freeman
2018-11-24 23:11                           ` Ulrich Mueller
2018-11-25  1:09                             ` Sarah White
2018-11-25  1:37                               ` Rich Freeman
2018-11-25  2:04                                 ` Sarah White
2018-11-25  2:22                                   ` Rich Freeman
2018-11-25  3:21                                     ` Sarah White
2018-11-25  6:53                                     ` Joonas Niilola
2018-11-25  2:04                         ` Matt Turner
2018-11-26 15:20                           ` William Hubbs
2018-11-26 23:12                             ` William Hubbs
2018-11-27  0:05                               ` Raymond Jennings
2018-11-27  2:38                               ` Matt Turner
2018-11-27  4:51                                 ` William Hubbs
2018-11-27  6:20                                   ` Matt Turner
2018-11-23 20:42                   ` Rich Freeman
2018-11-23 20:51                     ` Sarah White
2018-11-23 21:11                       ` Rich Freeman
2018-11-24 17:49                         ` Sarah White
2018-11-23 20:57                   ` Rich Freeman
2018-11-14 14:36   ` Andrew Savchenko
2018-11-14 15:31     ` Rich Freeman
2018-11-14 16:19       ` Andrew Savchenko
2018-11-14 18:59       ` Ian Stakenvicius
2018-11-14 19:38         ` William Hubbs
2018-11-14 20:02         ` Patrick McLean
2018-11-14 20:11           ` M. J. Everitt
2018-11-15 13:16         ` Thomas Deutschmann
2018-11-15 15:51       ` Brian Dolbec
2018-11-15 16:25         ` Thomas Deutschmann
2018-11-15 16:47           ` William Hubbs

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