From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B163D1382C5 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 19:32:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CC13DE095A; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 19:32:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3FA0FE08FC for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 19:32:25 +0000 (UTC) From: Ulrich Mueller To: Roy Bamford Cc: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Shutting down the Off the Wall In-Reply-To: (Roy Bamford's message of "Sat, 12 Dec 2020 16:00:36 +0000") References: <2LFZC3RZ.WVSUWEDL.VQXYWEFC@CMM6QA7H.D55IMDXP.EKCHVXDO> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2020 20:32:09 +0100 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1.50 (gnu/linux) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 7617e895-c946-4d17-b632-ad0b90d9612f X-Archives-Hash: 59f255d8532f04bca4b09c311abd7231 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>>> On Sat, 12 Dec 2020, Roy Bamford wrote: > On 2020.12.12 15:15, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> >>>>> On Sat, 12 Dec 2020, Roy Bamford wrote: >> > The original Proctors project was created by the council of the day >> > to be a quick reaction short slap response team to CoC violations. >> > Then one day, a council member did something to get slapped. >> > Instead of calming down and reflecting on events, by which time, the >> > slap would have worn off, said council member appealed directly to >> > council and managed to get the Proctors disbanded. >>=20 >> That's very different from my recollection of events. The relevant >> Council log [1] also tells a different story. > I have the 'benefit', that may not be the right word, of being the on=20 > the proctors team at the time.=20=20 OK, then let's look into the details. As I recall it, disbanding of was triggered by the infamous "Living in a bubble" thread on the gentoo-dev mailing list in 2007: =2D beejay posts a bad joke, disparaging Paludis and insulting ciaranm [2]= =20 =2D As can be expected, several people react to this =2D A Proctor (neddyseagoon) issues a warning [3], about half an hour after the original posting =2D Shortly after that, another Proctor (amne) suspends two peoples' (ciaranm and geoman) accounts [4] =2D At which point a Council member (wolf31o2) complains about the Proctors' action (in his opinion, banning the wrong people) and calls for disbanding of the Proctors [5] =2D amne rage-quits [6] =2D A discussion follows about the Proctors project, and that they should develop some guidelines. Which never happens. There's also a summary of this by marienz, from a Proctor's point of view [7]. So please tell me, where in the above chain of event do you see a CoC violation by a Council member? And of course, nothing of this is relevant for the present discussion. Still, if you make accusations like this: >> > That sent the message to the community that the CoC did not apply >> > to council members. The CoC has never recovered. ... then I pretty much think that you should back them by actual facts. Ulrich >> [1] https://projects.gentoo.org/council/meeting-logs/20070712.txt [2] https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/message/6feb6e4bb68ca5e7bffc68a3= db3b9567 [3] https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/message/c407c20291a64f371979f54e= d7b1025c [4] https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/message/028d7f7cb5dbba891c3278ca= 4e51f11f [5] https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/message/1d81fae0e3fad23f894a0922= 55edfbe6 [6] https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/message/4378a6d6f0986a6e1384231d= 4ba86b02 [7] https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/message/6707daa4c9368ba48d6997ca= 16162c16 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQFDBAEBCAAtFiEEtDnZ1O9xIP68rzDbUYgzUIhBXi4FAl/VGrkPHHVsbUBnZW50 b28ub3JnAAoJEFGIM1CIQV4u+dcH/jtyykqnABkLjPG0nacoQHebef4VcVITTc8x 7LBIiIBqZOjAL+t+VL0WRJ6vg/yjOV0R52+qIAl5v6dCzp/YsxZZNSbPIdxzdtRy h4OJgiMAjuk7bxYawUSRgROyoloX/wvAlA18nXRlAjN5/apdLb3HLbmS9uYdtVes p7ws+kqpDrdFp88N9HkGEXQ8K/9qko0zpUchOvN3PCcgAIR7cuxPRXcnFcZ95Ugk QTvx0PQrKLAn0oW8MaD6Me/+ZA7WwI0wRrdo8lEHGwwAur3DVztF1w6/3/KPvKwX qgJRiRo6svxwy0v4KAv1R9y8hrBuhexA0omZ7eov3+UXucSygS0= =U3I7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--