From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E917A1382C5 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2020 10:36:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 15964E0901; Sat, 5 Dec 2020 10:36:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 91DE5E0900 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2020 10:36:28 +0000 (UTC) From: Ulrich Mueller To: desultory Cc: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org, Andreas K. =?utf-8?Q?H=C3=BCttel?= Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Shutting down the Off the Wall In-Reply-To: <5ef78bc4-9547-f566-81a1-0eceb7f57714@gentoo.org> (desultory@gentoo.org's message of "Fri, 4 Dec 2020 23:53:57 -0500") References: <20201130164650.j46wjcxzethfn6qp@hydra> <5284753.ZASKD2KPVS@farino> <3e99a0f3-a801-3910-b626-baeaeac2b3a6@gentoo.org> <5ef78bc4-9547-f566-81a1-0eceb7f57714@gentoo.org> Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2020 11:36:18 +0100 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1.50 (gnu/linux) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 6b7db854-ec92-4fdc-8901-32784232107f X-Archives-Hash: 1964d2dfab6f61c93c971e72abf64212 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain >>>>> On Sat, 05 Dec 2020, desultory wrote: > On 12/04/20 07:45, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> Last time I checked, the forums (including OTW) were open for anyone >> to register, which makes them public communication media. So the Code >> of Conduct applies. > Aside form limited circumstances when registration is restricted, for > instance due to flooding, they are open to register. However, under > the current, council mandated configuration Off the Wall is not > publicly readable without an account, unlike the mailing lists aside > from core. So basically you say that OTW isn't a public forum, so the CoC doesn't apply to it and nothing needs to change? I had really hoped that the moderators team would acknowledge that the current state of affairs with OTW is unacceptable, and come up with some plan of their own how to improve things. If neither of these two things are going to happen, then it won't be difficult to predict that the Council will close down OTW sooner or later. > How, exactly? The council acts as the final level of appeal (short of > literally suing for redress over a CoC enforcement action) yet > multiple council members have been posting in a manner which is > directly counter to the CoC. If posting in a manner directly counter > to the CoC is acceptable behavior to those ultimately tasked with > enforcing it, then the CoC is moot at best. If the CoC is moot then > there is no functioning policy to enforce. If there is no functioning > policy, there is no policy to breach. As such, either the council as a > whole and its members individually need to start treating the CoC as a > functioning and enforceable policy, not least by abiding by it, or the > council as a whole and its members individually need to admit that it > is indeed as it has been treated by them: a defunct policy. Such unproven allegations aren't helpful. If I should have violated the CoC in any ML posting, then please point out that concrete posting or report me to ComRel. Ulrich --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQFDBAEBCAAtFiEEtDnZ1O9xIP68rzDbUYgzUIhBXi4FAl/LYqIPHHVsbUBnZW50 b28ub3JnAAoJEFGIM1CIQV4usmYIAIOtyFf0Ki7po05alFbmiU5fOGGXGfJPE8Vo IM6/N0Q90m65E6zjKTaFMOsFDxUfz7FT0IRzKDLDnNkWTaHD3ZTM8XlH7lGexElG eCQyKtx3zd6nRFQFUepvECNUcaOWmrZ3s/oGImNC2VZV8obfHlU42dofBETMJLJE 1Au4TOpHl/5Y74BJdOvFOgXXiq1bMBAtkspcA8kRVuZsGr9zCo79HVj3SA7j+XlB SmEvUKHkhsK16Q99hGc7Gr77IcMdhoPY6Vw2iY/KJwDtN24m+yPwBnXBsIo9M2et J6IieIoYbSUdkvTSpNUKJ8TLqObcCGVmGh8dam4vqilK9wZRkCc= =sKeU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--