From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C5D77138330 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2016 18:30:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 08B54E0BE1; Tue, 11 Oct 2016 18:30:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smarthost01a.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost01a.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.1.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D443DE0B81 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2016 18:30:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [62.3.120.142] (helo=NeddySeagoon_Static) by smarthost01a.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1bu1og-000Eb7-Dy for gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2016 18:30:18 +0000 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 19:29:49 +0100 From: Roy Bamford Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Trying to become a Gentoo Developer again spanning 8 years... To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org References: <22525.3178.476045.64534@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> In-Reply-To: (from wlt-ml@o-sinc.com on Tue Oct 11 17:11:00 2016) X-Mailer: Balsa 2.5.2 Message-Id: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-Fh+92rD1XQ3VPpyoohLR" X-Originating-smarthost01a-IP: [62.3.120.142] Feedback-ID: 62.3.120.142 X-Archives-Salt: d4615ffe-9df6-4566-a996-306b0c53cc1c X-Archives-Hash: 145084b9fc41ca9ab8a06cd4a99524c9 --=-Fh+92rD1XQ3VPpyoohLR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2016.10.11 17:11, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 5:59:38 PM EDT Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > >>>>> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016, William L Thomson wrote: > > >> There were only two changes with regards to content after > inception > > >> of the CoC: One in 2008, replacing proctors by devrel und userrel > > >> (bug 185572), > > >=20 > > > I was not aware comrel and userrel were created in 2008. > >=20 > > Both projects are much older. The timing relates to the dissolution > of > > the proctors project, see the 2007-07-12 council meeting log. >=20 > Yes but per that bug it seems most the policing powers fell under > Proctors and=20 > that was transferred to comrel/devrel. >=20 > Snippet from bug 185572 >=20 > "If the problem repeats itself, there are various options open to the=20 > proctors, including temporary or permanent suspension of a person's > ability to=20 > post to mailing lists, removal of Bugzilla access, or in more severe > cases=20 > suspension of developer privileges. Any action of this sort will > require=20 > consensus from at least three proctors. " >=20 > https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D185572 >=20 > It is quite clear that prior to ~2007-2008, punishment was handled by > Proctors=20 > not comrel/devrel/userrel. The last bit about requiring consensus is=20 > interesting. I do not recall reading such about devrel/comrel but may > exist.=20 > Clearly comrel can act individually and people must request a vote > from all...=20 > Proctors never seemed to operate that way. >=20 > Also interesting how proctors could not be on council ( or vice versa > ), but=20 > that has never been the case for comrel/devrel... >=20 > > > Timing is quite interesting. That could explain quite allot, and > why > > > at least in my opinion. Gentoo has been on the decline since > ~2008. > > > I do not feel either has had a good or positive impact. The issues > > > in Gentoo could be directly related. > >=20 > > Since the premise is wrong, this doesn't follow. >=20 > Actually it is does given powers were transferred from one entity to > another.=20 > I never recall hearing issues from the Proctors. Seems comrel/devrel > concept=20 > has not worked since its inception. Or at least since Proctors was > merged into=20 > or taken over by other entities. >=20 > --=20 > William L. Thomson Jr. >=20 William, Several other correspondents in this thread have been confused=20 by the ambiguity in the word Proctors in Gentoos history. You have demonstrated the misunderstanding here as has been corrected elsewhere in this thread. --=20 Regards, Roy Bamford (Neddyseagoon) a member of elections gentoo-ops forum-mods = --=-Fh+92rD1XQ3VPpyoohLR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAABCAAGBQJX/S+dAAoJEFZf0zWq3OcJlQkQAKnM3Pgy1fPVVBhk9eAHeYY1 m/Cgd8rtR3ihHiozmM1liCHE8HTjP3ep6AMsgj7FpdPkSUHKKq3xAYwGYbhlUyKS ROl2gnbsDGdY8kqsbxHMzTMwQ/HdsX78MTnlg6iM8cBxJ9IGq56xQlYvFNNzNZ/X JQD0D+FTeOp7mODf00ETFtC/dZUQIY3ZE2rn+oFTxwpEtgPu1P8H+k0sSiUSOZ+n QUTqYcAC4ImkfjJhmOiYHoirImafQjznP5nwv18XS4O5JdjeStNnX6M2ZLsoxKqF 8/ct4kGwhZ+RmNJoRpTalFDyxpwCwf0How34jUHWAre0Xro5XsF7pjidZhGQ84aA reBwZVq1LJiu+8FuaOLX9irXVt74f4FgPHQ89bGwVMVQiaQOWQfyF+ZDdREB42DL q/G5TPjtb5NHcPAUi8def4U6qphtqRhGKaUrnn+AUt1Kx8t2jmPkBm91QqCKCmwk 39ANyDX7/JrexCjexqqkVLrFIdkKPjJgRVUi9xjOeBjDahT17JYCf6bR9XK6ylqw 2G2/FIfRu+O3d8vLLiE4YZVg7SyhK7cEBFLWhctsn0QeIp4DHhTHHhg70nfDOJ2W UhMWBUmKR5/vrlRkyiiL0bi/UQxnq5DgkjfkN8rBP5wBOuDS1dRekDFwboAFQu8b JG8mZIzWVF1qlpEdcs1+ =42ER -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-Fh+92rD1XQ3VPpyoohLR--