[gentoo-project] GLEP-0076's "committer's Legal name" vs international names

[gentoo-project] GLEP-0076's "committer's Legal name" vs international names

[Robin H. Johnson]

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Hi,

I've recently seen a bug [1] where a contributer was implicitly told
that their name wasn't their "full name".

GLEP-0076 states "The sign-off must contain the committer's legal name
as a natural person, i.e., the name that would appear in a government
issued document."

If the person has multiple government-issued documents that don't
exactly match, but ARE a form accepted by the issuing government, then
Gentoo SHOULD accept them, and clearly document known forms (probably in
an appendix to the GLEP).

I'd like this the GLEP text I cited above, to be changed to:
"The sign-off must contain the committer's legal name as a natural
person, i.e., the name that would appear in a government issued
document, in the commonly used form for that committer. (See Appendix
for examples)"

Population groups around the world have different naming schemes, this
include such things as first-name only (no surname), multiple legal
names. A longer list is available at "Falsehoods Programmers Believe
About Names" [2]

I'm going to contribute the first examples for the Appendix here, based
on cases I'm recently aware of.

Canada: French-Canadian Names
-----------------------------
Catholic naming practices [3] may mean that a person has additional first
names [4] that appear in SOME of their government issued documentation,
but not all documentation.
E.g. "Jean Chrétien", former Canadian prime minster has a birth
certificate and some ID that use "Joseph Jacques Jean Chrétien",
while other ID uses "Jean Chrétien".
   
India: 
------
India, as a diverse country, has a variety of naming schemes [5], and
differing government ID rules [6] applied to those names. Notably, it
is common for parts of names to be written with initials on some
forms of ID, particularly where the initial is used to shorten a
specific known word (e.g. village name), such as "E.V. Ramasamy".

Indonesia:
----------
It is possible to have only a single name (Mononymic), and no
surname. e.g. "Suharto" 

[1] not linked because it's presently redacted at the request of the
person that opened it 
[2] https://shinesolutions.com/2018/01/08/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-names-with-examples/
[3] Canada names: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_name#French_Canadian_names
[4] Canada Example: https://www.richmond-news.com/local-news/richmond-resident-fighting-icbc-over-catholic-first-names-3674843
[5] Indian names: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_name
[6] India Example: https://scroll.in/latest/833897/people-with-initials-special-characters-in-their-names-face-problems-linking-their-pan-and-aadhaar
[7] Indonesian names: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_names#Mononymic_names

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Re: [gentoo-project] GLEP-0076's "committer's Legal name" vs international names

[Ulrich Mueller]

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>>>>> On Fri, 21 May 2021, Robin H Johnson wrote:

> I've recently seen a bug [1] where a contributer was implicitly told
> that their name wasn't their "full name".

> GLEP-0076 states "The sign-off must contain the committer's legal name
> as a natural person, i.e., the name that would appear in a government
> issued document."

> If the person has multiple government-issued documents that don't
> exactly match, but ARE a form accepted by the issuing government, then
> Gentoo SHOULD accept them, and clearly document known forms (probably in
> an appendix to the GLEP).

> I'd like this the GLEP text I cited above, to be changed to:
> "The sign-off must contain the committer's legal name as a natural
> person, i.e., the name that would appear in a government issued
> document, in the commonly used form for that committer. (See Appendix
> for examples)"

No objections against the idea, but I wonder if such an appendix should
be included directly with the policy. I would expect it to be extended
or changed more often  than would be convenient for reapproval by
Council and Trustees each time.

Maybe keeping it in a separate document as "supporting documentation"
would be more appropriate, with GLEP 76 referring to it?

Ulrich

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Re: [gentoo-project] GLEP-0076's "committer's Legal name" vs international names

[Robin H. Johnson]

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On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 06:50:34PM +0000, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've recently seen a bug [1] where a contributer was implicitly told
> that their name wasn't their "full name".
> 
> GLEP-0076 states "The sign-off must contain the committer's legal name
> as a natural person, i.e., the name that would appear in a government
> issued document."
> 
> If the person has multiple government-issued documents that don't
> exactly match, but ARE a form accepted by the issuing government, then
> Gentoo SHOULD accept them, and clearly document known forms (probably in
> an appendix to the GLEP).

Somebody else pointed me to this very interesting page that the Canadian
government has, with examples of interesting passport variations:
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/operational-bulletins-manuals/identity-management/naming-procedures/names-structures-record-them-gcms.html#single-name

These would clearly satisfy the "government issued document"
requirement, being a passport, so Gentoo should accept all forms of the
name that match.

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Re: [gentoo-project] GLEP-0076's "committer's Legal name" vs international names

[Louis Sautier]

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On 21/05/2021 20:50, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've recently seen a bug [1] where a contributer was implicitly told
> that their name wasn't their "full name".
>
> GLEP-0076 states "The sign-off must contain the committer's legal name
> as a natural person, i.e., the name that would appear in a government
> issued document."
>
> If the person has multiple government-issued documents that don't
> exactly match, but ARE a form accepted by the issuing government, then
> Gentoo SHOULD accept them, and clearly document known forms (probably in
> an appendix to the GLEP).
>
> I'd like this the GLEP text I cited above, to be changed to:
> "The sign-off must contain the committer's legal name as a natural
> person, i.e., the name that would appear in a government issued
> document, in the commonly used form for that committer. (See Appendix
> for examples)"
>
> Population groups around the world have different naming schemes, this
> include such things as first-name only (no surname), multiple legal
> names. A longer list is available at "Falsehoods Programmers Believe
> About Names" [2]
>
> I'm going to contribute the first examples for the Appendix here, based
> on cases I'm recently aware of.
>
> Canada: French-Canadian Names
> -----------------------------
> Catholic naming practices [3] may mean that a person has additional first
> names [4] that appear in SOME of their government issued documentation,
> but not all documentation.
> E.g. "Jean Chrétien", former Canadian prime minster has a birth
> certificate and some ID that use "Joseph Jacques Jean Chrétien",
> while other ID uses "Jean Chrétien".
>     

It looks similar to France:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_name#Given_names

 > French people have one, two or more given names (first names). One of 
them (nowadays almost always the first, in the past often the last) is 
used in daily life (but someone can also choose a usage name that was 
not given); the others are solely for official documents, such as 
passport, birth, death and marriage certificates.

I am pretty sure that most French Gentoo contributors have several given 
names but only sign off using their first given names and last names. We 
do not usually want to share our second or third given names.

> India:
> ------
> India, as a diverse country, has a variety of naming schemes [5], and
> differing government ID rules [6] applied to those names. Notably, it
> is common for parts of names to be written with initials on some
> forms of ID, particularly where the initial is used to shorten a
> specific known word (e.g. village name), such as "E.V. Ramasamy".
>
> Indonesia:
> ----------
> It is possible to have only a single name (Mononymic), and no
> surname. e.g. "Suharto"
>
> [1] not linked because it's presently redacted at the request of the
> person that opened it
> [2]https://shinesolutions.com/2018/01/08/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-names-with-examples/
> [3] Canada names:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_name#French_Canadian_names
> [4] Canada Example:https://www.richmond-news.com/local-news/richmond-resident-fighting-icbc-over-catholic-first-names-3674843
> [5] Indian names:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_name
> [6] India Example:https://scroll.in/latest/833897/people-with-initials-special-characters-in-their-names-face-problems-linking-their-pan-and-aadhaar
> [7] Indonesian names:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_names#Mononymic_names
>



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