Re: [gentoo-project] Agenda for the council meeting 2017-12-10 18:00 UTC

["Robin H. Johnson" <robbat2@gentoo.org>]

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I did wish to participate re two items here, but regretfully I will be
travelling at the time, and it's unlikely that I will have connectivity.

On Sat, Dec 09, 2017 at 08:39:54PM +0100, Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
> 3. Final review of GLEP 74 [4,5]
> --------------------------------
> Full-tree verification using Manifest files
The implementation is done, some tweaks were made since the previous
month's version.

> 4. Restricting gentoo-dev/-project posting [6]
> ----------------------------------------------
> * Restricting posting to both gentoo-dev and gentoo-project, while creating a 
>   gentoo-experts list?
> * Restricting posting to gentoo-dev and moving all official business there?
> * Restricting posting to gentoo-dev and moving all official business to a 
>   revived restricted gentoo-council list?
> * Moderating lists instead?
I had not weighed in publicly on this before, but wish to make a
statement.
The original split of gentoo-dev to gentoo-project included
moderation of gentoo-dev, however that was never really implemented,
mostly for technical reasons, and a decreased need after the split.

I oppose a further split of -dev/-project/-experts, and instead
propose better list policies of -dev. If it's technical, even coming
from an expert user, it probably belongs on -dev. If it's about the
organizational structures of Gentoo, it belongs on -project.
How do we keep the threads more on-topic? Moderation maybe, but I'm
not convinced that is best.

mlmmj, the list manager app that has powered the lists since 2004/Oct/28
has served us well. However, it needs to be replaced.  Upstream progress
has stalled, and the codebase is not trivial to improve. It lacked
features that are ever more relevant (spam, real moderation,
web-interfaces).

Mailman is my leading replacement candidate, as they have resolved many
of the issues that prevented it's choice ~13 years ago (mostly around
Unicode). It would give improved moderation & subscription control,
amongst other improvements. Also in Python3 rather than the unique style
of C used by mlmmj.

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