From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 902B913877A for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 16:54:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 49B2CE0953; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 16:54:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A7202E0917 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 16:54:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D37933401CB for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 16:54:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at gentoo.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.28 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.28 tagged_above=-999 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.090, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.668, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HJikcA0RSFPE for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 16:54:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 00D92340109 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 16:54:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XDG6C-00042U-BE for gentoo-project@gentoo.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 18:54:32 +0200 Received: from ppp118-209-168-229.lns20.mel6.internode.on.net ([118.209.168.229]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 18:54:32 +0200 Received: from kensington by ppp118-209-168-229.lns20.mel6.internode.on.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 18:54:32 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org From: Michael Palimaka Subject: [gentoo-project] Re: Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-08-12 Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 02:54:20 +1000 Message-ID: References: <21463.26330.847055.224071@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <20140731211239.0eb282cb@pomiot.lan> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp118-209-168-229.lns20.mel6.internode.on.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 In-Reply-To: X-Archives-Salt: 06738bb9-a3cf-4c22-893a-8fdabba58378 X-Archives-Hash: 61c65dc184a90142a3e7d1b466defe28 On 08/01/2014 12:17 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > One thing I don't want to do is create a barrier to anybody who wants > to upgrade an eclass or do work on virtuals. I can just imagine > endless debates about whether splitting a virtual is worth it since it > will cause up to 250 rebuilds, etc. This is what concerns me. I have no objection to static dependencies per se, but we need something (whether it be dynamic dependencies or some new functionality to work in conjunction with static dependencies) to avoid unnecessary rebuilds. A quick grep of the tree shows we have approximately 1948 packages that were affected by the mass dev-util/pkgconfig -> virtual/pkgconfig migration.