From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0600A1391DB for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 16:23:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1D477E08AD; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 16:23:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63106E08AC for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 16:23:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67D5C34023A for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 16:23:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at gentoo.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.28 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.28 tagged_above=-999 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.090, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.668, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lg1EvL9brY80 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 16:23:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D37613401E7 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 16:23:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XDFbv-0000zQ-N9 for gentoo-project@gentoo.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 18:23:15 +0200 Received: from ppp118-209-168-229.lns20.mel6.internode.on.net ([118.209.168.229]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 18:23:15 +0200 Received: from kensington by ppp118-209-168-229.lns20.mel6.internode.on.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 18:23:15 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org From: Michael Palimaka Subject: [gentoo-project] Re: Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-08-12 Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 02:23:02 +1000 Message-ID: References: <21463.26330.847055.224071@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <53DA69DA.8020000@gentoo.org> <53DB7F42.4010609@gentoo.org> <53DB901C.4090004@gentoo.org> <20140801143741.1ebf8df6@googlemail.com> <53DBA5CF.3010708@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp118-209-168-229.lns20.mel6.internode.on.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 In-Reply-To: <53DBA5CF.3010708@gentoo.org> X-Archives-Salt: a1060390-ad26-4661-9815-9236e6818d09 X-Archives-Hash: 55fd224a8a79c0b6228e4d0ff8af10b1 On 08/02/2014 12:35 AM, hasufell wrote: > Rich Freeman: >> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Ciaran McCreesh >> wrote: >>> On Fri, 1 Aug 2014 09:24:46 -0400 >>> Rich Freeman wrote: >>>> The thing is, with @preserved-rebuild I don't have to run >>>> revdep-rebuild for the packages that either can't be or simply aren't >>>> migrated to slot operator deps. That is a huge win. Also, random >>>> things aren't broken during the time that I'm rebuilding, so I don't >>>> end up chrooting into my system from a rescue CD when I forget to run >>>> revdep-rebuild. I'll be happy when the day comes when we can get rid >>>> of it, but that day is not yet here. >>> >>> Unfortunately, like dynamic dependencies, there's a vicious feedback >>> cycle of increasingly ugly hacks with preserved-rebuild. >> >> No argument there at all. Hence my statement that I'll be happy when >> the day comes when I can be rid of it. >> > > Rich, this is a _fundamental_ problem we have in gentoo. It's the lack > of a development model. It's also one of Gentoo's strengths. Please draft a document and present it to the Council if you would like to change it.