From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JyX23-00020D-Px for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 20 May 2008 18:57:56 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1EECAE0366; Tue, 20 May 2008 18:57:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE3D0E0366 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 18:57:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AB1B67194 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 18:57:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: 0.754 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.754 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-0.314, BAYES_50=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=2.067] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dgkeXOuRPu4I for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 18:57:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C57566F1A for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 18:57:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1JyX1e-00030l-2C for gentoo-project@gentoo.org; Tue, 20 May 2008 18:57:31 +0000 Received: from 82.153.70.211 ([82.153.70.211]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 18:57:30 +0000 Received: from slong by 82.153.70.211 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 18:57:30 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org From: Steve Long Subject: [gentoo-project] Re: Re: Re: Re: [gentoo-dev] Special meeting [WAS: Council meeting summary for 8 May 2008] (fwd) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 19:53:33 +0100 Message-ID: References: <1211216933.5605.32.camel@liasis.inforead.com> <20080519195024.3510ba2b@snowcone> <20080519220436.60ed51dd@snowcone> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.153.70.211 User-Agent: KNode/0.10.9 Sender: news X-Archives-Salt: cb063cff-cc8d-4b88-b8ed-50355b3db438 X-Archives-Hash: 9dba1b95eec46e6dadd78e4c84e108e4 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > I do believe I addressed all your nonsense before you even posted it. > Now please don't do it again. I'm going to be ignoring anything further > along those lines. > No you just focussed on the aside at the end, understandably (while avoiding the point that, as ever, you expect to use the Gentoo ebuild tree.) The points I was making: >> A Council that simultaneously says >> "yes, we were behind musikc's actions" and "no, it was solely musikc's >> decision"? That's a lot like the old days. >> > Saying it's someone's call and that you support them in making that > decision strikes me as the chain-of-command in operation. Would you care to comment on that? It is perfectly possible to endorse a decision made by someone else, while having played no part in the decision-making process. It's called delegation. > And I note you're not saying that you think the Council have been slacking > in the way you outlined in your earlier post as the motivation for this > policy. Which is still the case: you're not saying the current Council are slackers. If you feel they are, please explain how, since they seem to have kept up with far more meetings than you outlined in your earlier post as being the bad old days. Nor was this meeting announced anywhere apart from at the tail end of another long meeting, and in the summary of said, which understandably attendees don't usually read. I for one would much rather see the Council get on with discussing the devrel issue, than wasting a large amount of scarce time and manpower on an election. They're not slacking, they messed up: big deal; life's messy sometimes. -- gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org mailing list