From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JHfz1-0005PQ-1y for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:49:39 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6CD76E0511; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:49:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44CCAE0511 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:49:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43BD065BF9 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:49:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: 1.019 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.019 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-1.049, BAYES_50=0.001, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=2.067] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TMGluG9jW2QN for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:49:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 841F065CA7 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:46:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1JHfwE-0001JM-Ec for gentoo-project@gentoo.org; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:46:46 +0000 Received: from 82.152.203.108 ([82.152.203.108]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:46:46 +0000 Received: from slong by 82.152.203.108 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:46:46 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org From: Steve Long Subject: [gentoo-project] Re: Re: Plan, then communicate (no-list) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:53:36 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20080120215706.GA16357@redwoodscientific.com> <200801212018.23425.philantrop@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.152.203.108 User-Agent: KNode/0.10.4 Sender: news X-Archives-Salt: 2b5ca4ac-6072-4b73-8144-f31dad55a7e1 X-Archives-Hash: fdfcec2cc6c68874b09ed36729ab3997 Wulf C. Krueger wrote: > On Monday, 21. January 2008 19:19:12 Steve Long wrote: >> And when 90% say they don't like the way they get treated by Gentoo >> devs, there is a real issue. > > "The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with > the average voter." - Winston Churchill > > s/voter/user/ > Churchill also said democracy is the worst form of government: apart from all the others. He also questioned why anyone should worry about Arabs being gassed in Mesopotamia, so maybe you can just speak for yourself; would you prefer to live under Saddam, Amin or Hitler than a democratic government? >> > That being said; talking to users who know what they are doing >> > (doubly so when they know more than me) is a delight and I'm >> > generally happy to take the time to respond. If there was some way >> > to aggregate user complaints into concrete problem sets I'm all ears. >> Votes. Require 75% majority from users if you want. > > No, most of those users do exactly that: They *use* what *we*, the Gentoo > developers, provide. They can become developers easily enough and then > they may vote all they want. > Yeah but antarus was asking about "aggregating user complaints into concrete problem sets." How would you do that? > And they can always vote with their feet - on their way out. Gentoo is > about choice and one such choice can be to leave. > Yeah thanks for that contribution: really moved the debate forward. Don't slam the door on your way out ;) -- gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org mailing list