From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D2D713832E for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2016 02:07:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D2397E0B96; Tue, 9 Aug 2016 02:07:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 26D17E0B8D for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2016 02:07:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [172.16.8.11] (50-39-103-222.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net [50.39.103.222]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jmorgan) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 01E48340A15 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2016 02:07:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2016-08-14 To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org References: <2e11e445-c25b-b7f2-def1-99aed92308b6@gentoo.org> <20160804162443.GA7048@whubbs1.gaikai.biz> <20160804231224.7b7462168f1d23e88fe4135c@gentoo.org> <20160804222234.GA8357@whubbs1.gaikai.biz> <20160805022658.GA15727@linux1> <20160805142859.GA19008@linux1> <20160805153658.GA11058@whubbs1.gaikai.biz> <52993bd4-afc9-197e-acda-96db413e6608@gentoo.org> From: Jack Morgan Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 19:07:04 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <52993bd4-afc9-197e-acda-96db413e6608@gentoo.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="EVlQk89DcgFQ1n7MFmxto2Hu2HLWQlRMQ" X-Archives-Salt: 729018da-d3e4-4350-8989-c0e00143acbb X-Archives-Hash: fc535ae4a5844ab092d852dddc042472 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --EVlQk89DcgFQ1n7MFmxto2Hu2HLWQlRMQ Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="OvVdlpjw4ELQAvIJIMak3uoMMnHCl07OH" From: Jack Morgan To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2016-08-14 References: <2e11e445-c25b-b7f2-def1-99aed92308b6@gentoo.org> <20160804162443.GA7048@whubbs1.gaikai.biz> <20160804231224.7b7462168f1d23e88fe4135c@gentoo.org> <20160804222234.GA8357@whubbs1.gaikai.biz> <20160805022658.GA15727@linux1> <20160805142859.GA19008@linux1> <20160805153658.GA11058@whubbs1.gaikai.biz> <52993bd4-afc9-197e-acda-96db413e6608@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <52993bd4-afc9-197e-acda-96db413e6608@gentoo.org> --OvVdlpjw4ELQAvIJIMak3uoMMnHCl07OH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 08/08/16 05:35, Marek Szuba wrote: >=20 > Bottom line: I would say we do need some way of streamlining ebuild > stabilisation. I vote we fix this problem. I'm tired of having this same discussion ever 6 or 12 months. I'd like to see less policy discussion and more technical solutions to the problems we face. I propose calling for volunteers to create a new project that works on solving our stabilization problem. I see that looking like the following:= 1) project identifies the problem(s) with real data from Bugzilla and the portage tree. 2) new project defines a technical proposal to fixing this issue, then presents it to the developer community for feedback. This would include defining tools needed or used 3) start working on solution + define future roadmap All processes and policies should be on the table for negotiating in the potential solution. If we need to reinvent the wheel, then let's do it. To be honest, adding more policy just ends up making everyone unhappy one way or the other. --=20 Jack Morgan Pub 4096R/761D8E0A 2010-09-13 Jack Morgan Fingerprint =3D DD42 EA48 D701 D520 C2CD 55BE BF53 C69B 761D 8E0A --OvVdlpjw4ELQAvIJIMak3uoMMnHCl07OH-- --EVlQk89DcgFQ1n7MFmxto2Hu2HLWQlRMQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXqTrQAAoJENNAYYQy1of1PXwP/jlOUgJJPH/n/mDOqwTY6JRj wdi0MWDcPKC+aUJYz696Oc0r8/m47j2Lhv02MDoyN6riH4E6eJ6jD4QeKld/uxOV oafPZnS1kXiLh4VqZeOenN+3k3QENfbQDUhQ9x2eyf/447aIrjWEu16D9R0Kkl68 PW6K7X5Un39MIK+/7NGHx+0rmopSra6Rw4fN3Aj1eNQ0s4JPD5EE5JpLT4dfhZNU tQUO4SPTniCWtFL0a5oLqEzRUlKIrMR3BAs+/0UI9Ahg3BS3jxB3ezGMMHi3Qy89 tNQvcCI9JWyLHcn4FK+ZCiHhZ+zv9oSn78xXx5vvekXXfn/cu8J9JKJnJiqS4m3r 1hXM7hjQzAhNg59Ex63jxWSIYjagny+rbhp8D+tW7m5i3qPeim8sqbgbWpJCtaLH 1FKbZtjE08x37gBAv/OEVWpsNInwDc54Qh5ZEPEDz5Lcs7BX+bfOxnS+tPk+2tax mvregOx6cj/kRCEPQsxR5oWYy3xDSWTDbHqsDWKQKbNkPDdgPj0sUH0zcH0MUD2i 2d0dJz1XIZbmnadub7X6FBcjJI8ZMcowH+7EmeKkxDs5C3AlifslmUYfcRt+3XMG Z8VehHu+3aBrkjPaWC69GY9ijJ5Ij+AxBH7bH7m9H9WNcET3z3k0OHJvug7UKg60 EJNZMuZ/F/2qu9w6pNFA =NA2t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --EVlQk89DcgFQ1n7MFmxto2Hu2HLWQlRMQ--