From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2848138334 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2019 12:47:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EC021E0C7A; Tue, 5 Feb 2019 12:47:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF082E0C57 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2019 12:47:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [141.23.214.193] (client-141-23-214-193.wlan.tu-berlin.de [141.23.214.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: chithanh) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ABBC233BECB; Tue, 5 Feb 2019 12:47:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Appeals of Moderation Decisions To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Cc: forum-mods@gentoo.org References: <2beb3305-396f-8b10-e2a1-4008d8505fa9@gentoo.org> <2878606.mSfXTjG61N@porto> <2983640.de6YSfGzij@porto> <353de8d8-8928-3e31-3aaf-6f78ebe54fc8@gentoo.org> <4d147aaa-ce46-10aa-243c-7a84dfc40bc3@gentoo.org> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Ch=c3=ad-Thanh_Christopher_Nguy=e1=bb=85n?= Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 13:47:52 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.9.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: e23a402b-4eb3-48ae-91e0-90b0c6e47621 X-Archives-Hash: 05a859cf59cb9ff75cb9290ff80b355d Rich Freeman schrieb: > On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 8:38 PM Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn > wrote: >> A compromise / an alternative to removing OTW (if deemed a bad thing) would >> be to limit its public reach by allowing only registered forum users to >> access it. >> > If it isn't a bad thing, then why would we want to hide it? If it is > a bad thing, why would we want to stop merely at hiding our shame? Some things can be both good and bad at the same time. The argument that I have read so far is that "OTW is a mess that reflects on Gentoo as a whole". If/when that is substantiated would give rise to the next question, how to limit the badness? Are there ways that are almost as effective as removing OTW entirely and would cause less drama? Best regards, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn