From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IGqz6-0001tu-IO for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 06:50:05 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l736nqWl009669; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 06:49:52 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l736npTw009658 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 06:49:52 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC2C96546C for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 06:49:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: 0.927 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.927 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-0.574, BAYES_50=0.001, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=1.5] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6K1lj0+yx0dh for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 06:49:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C2C465439 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 06:49:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IGqyZ-0000U7-4J for gentoo-project@gentoo.org; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 08:49:31 +0200 Received: from 82.153.67.115 ([82.153.67.115]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 08:49:31 +0200 Received: from slong by 82.153.67.115 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 08:49:31 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org From: Steve Long Subject: [gentoo-project] Re: Re: Gentoo <--> Sabayon Relation Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 07:49:28 +0100 Message-ID: References: <46B15C0F.3020809@necoro.eu> <200708021751.46197.rbu@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.153.67.115 User-Agent: KNode/0.10.4 Sender: news X-Archives-Salt: bbc61618-a5f2-461f-92b1-1bef719217d3 X-Archives-Hash: 471393991c74a7573a0bd5ae80ba223f Robert Buchholz wrote: > On Thursday, 2. August 2007 14:29, Steve Long wrote: >> Personally I think ixnay should just become a gentoo dev and have >> sabayon as his own private project (overlay, profile, make.conf) >> within gentoo, while still keeping the bugzilla and forums separate. >> Then he could contribute back to gentoo a lot more effectively. >> [Please don't flame me, I have nfc what the politics are.] > > Gentoo devs will look at bugs that affect Sabayon users when they're > reproducible in vanilla Gentoo environments. If not, how to support > them? This is the same with all other unofficial overlays. > Agreed. > As far as making ixnay a developer goes, I rather think he would not > want to do that anyway, especially with his weird ideas to "fork away > from [Gentoo's] bugs" [1] and give Gentoo back to drobbins. > Er i got his nick wrong it's lxnay sorry. Weird ideas don't preclude anyone from contributing do they? > Would having him as a developer do any good community wise? I don't > know, but after reading [2, the last paragraphs], my guess is 'no'. > Yeah well I guess that's down to devrel now there are no proctors to react in ml-time. I thought the recruitment process was supposed to take the rough edges off? Not saying that applies to devs who've been around for ages ofc ;) but credit to kloeri for the work he's put in over the last 2 years at least. (as well as the other work, and no I don't want to go to Massachussets.. ;) I agree lxnay seems a bit brash (from the cursory look around I did earlier on from those links) and, dare I say it, rather young. I don't think anyone's nominating him for Council or anything tho. And he certainly seems to produce code, so why not? (If he were willing, like i say I've never had any contact with the guy.) I just think the rumblings of ``let's reclaim Gentoo'' are an unwelcome distraction. Personally I'd like drobbins to come back as a dev and get used to the new setup (with a procmail kill rule for ciaranm ofc) rather than waste everyone's energy with another pointless fork. If drobbins thinks the guy is true to the early spirit of Gentoo, I'll take his word for it. ATM sabayon seems like a leeching organisation to me, as I made clear on the forums. It's a shame, when lxnay could just be contributing properly. Although I did read he regularly finds and fixes bugs in ebuilds (and he has never suggested anyone pretend to be running anything but sabayon) it doesn't change my opinion that sabayon is a direct competitor to gentoo, since it isn't pure binary aiui (which would make it an application of gentoo.) Why not just bring it into the fold? -- gentoo-project@gentoo.org mailing list