From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1ICI9v-00005m-F7 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:50:23 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6LGoApC023703; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:50:10 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6LGo97N023678 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:50:09 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0117364FA6 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:50:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: 0.155 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.155 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.154, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KpOWdhpZzk1r for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:50:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF2E464424 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:50:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ICI9X-0007Wm-5M for gentoo-project@gentoo.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:49:59 +0200 Received: from spc2-ashf2-0-0-cust179.asfd.broadband.ntl.com ([81.109.172.180]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:49:59 +0200 Received: from gmane by spc2-ashf2-0-0-cust179.asfd.broadband.ntl.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:49:59 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org From: Allen Brooker Subject: [gentoo-project] Re: Improving developer/user communication Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:50:00 +0100 Message-ID: References: <469FF6E3.70308@gmail.com> <46A233EE.7010208@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: spc2-ashf2-0-0-cust179.asfd.broadband.ntl.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.3) Gecko/20070507 Thunderbird/2.0.0.0 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: Sender: news X-Archives-Salt: f057bc40-d9b1-4d33-9191-037faa31b291 X-Archives-Hash: 3e6b1f87b687f9637c668b13050a214a Allen Brooker wrote: > Donnie Berkholz wrote: >> Allen Brooker wrote: >>> Could we create a very-low-traffic, developer-posts-only list that is >>> used for announcing important package changes? The list could also be >>> used for other announcements (not sure exactly what - events where >>> Gentoo devs will be, regional meets, other things). If people feel that >>> using the same list for other announcements too would create too much >>> traffic, consider creating multiple lists, which would allow people to >>> subscribe to only the types of messages that they want to see. >> Just made it at the same time as this one: gentoo-dev-announce. We're >> still working out the policy. >> >> Thanks, >> Donnie >> > According to http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/lists.xml (and my impression > from the name) that list appears to be for developer-targeted announcements. > > What I was thinking was something along the lines of some of the > post-install messages (not all of them, just the important ones that > might actually (appear to) break things - eg. glibc upgrade - "you can't > downgrade"; gcc upgrade - "follow the guide here; coreutils upgrade - > "some locations have changed - run 'hash -r' to clear the cache"; etc.) > and other user-targeted messages to be sent to a list. > > Allen > On a side note, I do know there's ELOG for some of what I'm talking about, but as I see it the two problems with it are that: 1) Not everyone knows about it 2) You don't get the messages until after you've installed something. I believe users should have warning of "major" upgrades before they perform them. Allen -- gentoo-project@gentoo.org mailing list