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Wed, 10 Jul 2019 16:07:26 +0200 Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2019-07-21 To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org References: <w6gzhlptzf0.fsf@kph.uni-mainz.de> <0f65bce4fb95cd5340fc51f2108e4f884a0093b8.camel@gentoo.org> <20190709112850.4cba405b@abudhabi.paradoxon.rec> <20190710135534.GA21574@linux1.home> From: Michael Everitt <m.j.everitt@iee.org> Openpgp: id=BA266E0525CFAB101523351B4C30334F93C22371 Autocrypt: addr=m.j.everitt@iee.org; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= xsFNBFngC8gBEAC8/nQZrVrr8v0kaD4OLw8UftKfPQFEMGY/rnFA81M9IvdyPP8/8u/+9AGc DEN3i/LRvW0KUBdKIngcUY/p1M/sJqBspMOBaoOLp6K53/2uxcGXw62TulQJU+7a37Jukv2r HNSyZzM6II0myConmJa8ja1HfsiVoqDrqNigBF+Sts1kqG4xg8YeyOl1Tk+LZwC+ukzzutE9 pbpIL2snu5I6a6RNi9DtbB9FZKzkbXx8TlpMXrcorNryOLQHPRw6tir5Z8kpetiJgoEpKGBX botDOWLVW+s9XnwPzAFmL03gH+3reY+LfrQWQTDphfZIp75caZQUicQHpc1NUr+8bLr3n79A FCPY3CfWriGn17aqaaXDFfeYPJIlH8UmOXI41JqR47C5eYFbocA8A4k7cGVAdKJFWLy51165 dt7qZyvUQc/olzrZOrvoiWXA8ELg7pqxxObM4kl0502IHz9kb6Lt712HvfjH5yAP8zTYpetn sCPR9aVVSQsRgluNrQFlKpVmUXbeBLjw05UBEunS6prDwXOyZdn7t03LSOlK2nBGM+gtxg8l /0Nb1saYMGGN8qtO4RLFRiRBc20kNz01cC89PKRIXYlW9dRZNH1zebIUCAg+S4hSmmV4uvaZ XRADb2G+ZZ2jj9cNTTnI+X1/a19S8XjBZ4z+9+Hty4nhoB6fawARAQABzSNNLiBKLiBFdmVy aXR0IDxtLmouZXZlcml0dEBpZWUub3JnPsLBgAQTAQgAKgIbAwUJA8JnAAULCQgHAwUVCgkI CwUWAgMBAAIeAQIXgAUCWeAgogIZAQAKCRBj58Z59NQx3awfD/4wMWDKcu0/s2KQhz5JUBfi v+PdY7xxJj77gPhHximyjWW8O1pu3H280HsL2751AuUyQ2JNWYUtbr8FIvk8dLBnjLmXQwu/ JhkPyAoW/3UcpSCjGkwZ0B/amHs9/dC99Y9Fk1lYDqm1FEmSmqnXHFg7tgdKpMF5eV7B0moS ISL0IKSOCMPHE1u/0bSwUVXbzuqWOLbWRcqH819aVsZG+unrQf87R0RKG5rI7OEkdtCDO+8D KlOPqo1i+Un9YvzdktNymHJtoHGljIWLoo5QMciHH5JX+y7bGH1mHfmnsqFsHiPQFkun3/xV qk9hI0qvl1q5ykX/UVZMmXaMVwWcpiLz4pHnN92v9BxyAESKJkj9fh9CoR958nmoLzhmVzdf pXHBlI4E5uYaKeCPbGNHZX0WoHaStf0f/AkuLSQj3g53VDWvDBt+qfnzBkGwYSGhM6tOQX5T Cz0WP8cZa6ghyzTy+z4jwT8/O9umurExdRl2D0VNdT4RPoCFs/jlFXFbnlGPC2FjvWfMEF8j 9FiPq19NPPRd8WiQYgRYehFFoDqNOzIu3LbshV2CPdVN5fsRD1lwOGlrmiPWQrWlfKoUK98G M5MfAcSJVkixsfoajZlH5lk48kBQsMnLxut2pmRiahtsEV0af+FHLs1ZuYngk0kJh5q+UyZi 4exXsLvHC/rPbs7BTQRZ4AvIARAA2MeaJF9ma6ngqTogwle2dHfAzilYpWSgt7Gej9APzidO mVfyoXIBsd3UMNQErFkRZNk/U0vyy0x9Azs3z0gqOo5E98veiN3VOf8g9vhTfxfHcVTz6JwX 9ggzO//iRPvUH3NKfEvpLNn8gkOvN9cTyh0k9Vrj28vBpD3HWWHJlU5wVrpFUpE4RFXDOpMD aAQAPkArzxXmc6CtnQfupkpZPe+mplDoEjFmw1F6fLp/09a+K0m97xZU0eG/tYWqItRpTHnY 8d92wFHNx1RdYyII8y2kCDNwp+E6oEX/DP5WspKGzgf/f9zci61v192wpXiqzoE9D+quFo9v z6Ywn8NCfqOUs+dnwZ9xtQXOHBU5lZi0avkg3HYQ1lArSkUHzlO4k5AslEu5AXqEOKe9Mo4q nYX/HK3xQEPwEJji2T8SR9IDPfAIYjSK6iMw7LT4ugCwVemNHmDSuWdZDjtbVMRdNtsWu0ar i04FQ+8cBovQHQyrVVYVduuazlBioX7dN8go17eue2C3hTr8xJhB4dX7/bfVAay1LeCWyaGr 15nfkAH4wXp11sSU482GwRnEEL5TeYDgHHtd+FyiYm3Wd5T5NKgPM5XpzIhm4MvLmWMhmC4O nLc5gZj2aQ7IWi2W5FlxSSu0VrC0q6hoNB0rCsz1GBKDBrLX+03hZrMRC0TeZZ8AEQEAAcLB ZQQYAQgADwUCWeALyAIbDAUJA8JnAAAKCRBj58Z59NQx3cwiEACpDgKf6ZlEx27TWzoV73v/ FV0Zy2vz+pqIIw2BKb1PbuEJnluZnWQ/u9nVCRoIQKDU5IHS+DoR76iTOUTiVmE+9ZltAHYi 9QRAHlwWdFkZqkoTNvrHw7pA0oOhgqC3k1n3FpAbT8GFZeIKRqgWCacTMBepMJRlz46nQ/CX 4Eh2HwrJrbgJJaMpNqoh+hJee7ev/TXV+OFLc310tJSZhSPXo9NkWGHu631RjOJl4Xf0vE4t Zy4aNE94NjMUOILjmaTp78HBUbsgqZrdl/wu2HbNNF5IKWwnyYRAeF9l73JuQwXLMrVQxbqP P9XiQqgKT4CF3xxdiXCS3Hq5s3OQLouFg03LGHyMAMtsP+8PepndmL/i79s/Mp0WYcJK6XAm Mi+Xknfi5Lay1oAjYu8UvGOWo5nOq62saN/bXG8/m+qqiueMOTDGXHZfklBglW5p6VYJd2eY W1teykJa7oGAOsiePl+z4UllNTBQVzhRPfmc/O3Yg6JJbISqHw84IWDINVUAN6wldIay83Tr gc1aAXDepgf6aNDbbWiQ+BBBJkAOGYTG9pnAaNMUKM65dkN7WufV2fwJHn900f2vzKyFYkKF bIiuODXBTfJG1yvMUQIgnDBYUBuBdDXB3NhOG8nHOJSQXTdI+Ma9ZMkxmVCxV9RXFPYBO8ji nurTf8FtGwnuig== Message-ID: <f5eb2a10-b8d7-ad57-5f3b-3d20ff2a3b29@iee.org> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 15:07:21 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-project+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-project+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-project+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list <gentoo-project.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190710135534.GA21574@linux1.home> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5B7grKTo60LxpCXMoxz6Ab2AO9VE8THLc" X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:IMojJcZuWQkkQ6KhtVVYcsC2KpseZiLcLLLFyf/20eDweocP1ZH cu7cC9IKblzN9/5mlybNASoTLYp5FUfSHr+V2CZrOkEUGSoGXHz3mzI9FUXTs4TfDazCwqQ NFgkFrRD/cAyhxfQ1m90D8Cf4umf/RoFWeKT0gRq1N2mYXv7S63kDCw6wjoV/DcDx6zHkV8 eb1lhzczHUAXxKDLyZXpw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:GcVvvSjfieQ=:3yYPxyuF0OnZlGkfXyCtW5 YU4wjhgr0uHesGoovPKEApxwlb5uNTciSuw+3z9IxfAbyJBz/VTVHCqIC//Lf90qI3eC+Epni mUTbSR+lWtHIj2o/+FBME7jkvP97CtIggRp80HzawENAfB3rNd+N1tSaodm3znbDqmd79KRyo Ru9U42qxCocDiAqIfLX19KM914osXKKILHzsSCbTIDEg+zecp2GPcy7Ez2dRZIXmblb6e57d+ +mok4bSEDzYROxgn6AHiqAtW6CjO2B/DslFId3youMoDBqSi7RJ6pRVKP40Hms3HHVWDPgTJy lAi3Q/0Sk2W4RecUt6a8mzPECc1EZ7KXLVpubG+fasDg453Tqj6vZyhnbCyQausn1Dnoxltzy fGjm/iOFU7V+LI81qnkFhVPCBHX/5apnzowcebyTD4d7LFYYGmHtHAyBNjDEdd0dqCu+usYSG HT2Yd/32j1WwpGuqaEWyZNi0qzO0uq3nbBHcLKoXXkFwbfKXINDVqdAK+vTDNRjUjwqMw3m74 ahH7/uYduoW1uuh5z8dVxQHtzgUgDGbnTrPdLkQpoVpFEw1BJ8g73s+Md3eCr7V88xy60dJXE R1kDqjOK+SEep6FnAaNW9vGwLeOdz8oHkmOw0pCyMkyDGYoLoiLbqRfTL4LxzPyAxoevlwe04 f8INjIq1g8Li9ijF/ts8pBKi9JGtNOP9bw/hKzgkexvQqjeKmhQuprIQIzCAGvfAktuUSuStH 8s8Se5wwATjqPnesasR0ruY+gvXQkTRdb+GE+A== X-Archives-Salt: f746d08a-9306-4cec-a3cc-aa203138b341 X-Archives-Hash: 53c3777e1e462ff3bcaad87322deaed8 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --5B7grKTo60LxpCXMoxz6Ab2AO9VE8THLc Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="18WGqDDZFfFlJf8ZZJ0DxyozU51tweL3G"; protected-headers="v1" From: Michael Everitt <m.j.everitt@iee.org> To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: <f5eb2a10-b8d7-ad57-5f3b-3d20ff2a3b29@iee.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2019-07-21 References: <w6gzhlptzf0.fsf@kph.uni-mainz.de> <0f65bce4fb95cd5340fc51f2108e4f884a0093b8.camel@gentoo.org> <20190709112850.4cba405b@abudhabi.paradoxon.rec> <20190710135534.GA21574@linux1.home> In-Reply-To: <20190710135534.GA21574@linux1.home> --18WGqDDZFfFlJf8ZZJ0DxyozU51tweL3G Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-GB On 10/07/19 14:55, William Hubbs wrote: > On Tue, Jul 09, 2019 at 11:28:50AM +0200, Lars Wendler wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On Sun, 07 Jul 2019 23:00:01 +0200 Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: >> > *snip* > >>> My second agenda item is: removing posting restrictions from gentoo-d= ev >>> mailing list. >>> >>> I was on the Council that made those changes, and from retrospective = I >>> believe the decision to be a mistake. It was made to workaround >>> a problem with inefficiency of ComRel, and we should have focused >>> on fixing ComRel instead. I don't believe it serves its purpose well= >>> and IMO it causes more problems than it solves. > *snip* > >> I fully support this request. >> This was the utter worst decision being done by council I've ever had >> the misfortune to be a witness of and I hope our new council will try >> to never top this kind of bad decisions. > I was on the council that made this decision as well, and I feel that i= t > should never have passed because it comes dangerously close to violatin= g > our social contract. Some disagree because everything is still read > only, but I'm still not comfortable with it. > > From my POV, there is not really anything to discuss. The post > restriction should be removed immediately. > > William It remains by dint of procedure that the matter should be brought to a meeting (or failing that, a bug, as a pseudo-meeting) and that an agreeme= nt is noted that this is the way forward, so that Infra can enact the revisi= on in configuration, with the appropriate authority. Whilst it would be an interesting option to do "vote by mailing list" I think the road ahead could be much more rocky than it already is .. --18WGqDDZFfFlJf8ZZJ0DxyozU51tweL3G-- --5B7grKTo60LxpCXMoxz6Ab2AO9VE8THLc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJdJfEaAAoJEGPnxnn01DHdWVYP/i29+CNxWj7OrQ//TBhIhCri U8jp8knH3Iqey/Xwry21BuA14GGPe3z79qeLR34kfGqFvsTa8t7Gq3qbkESHfWDA umZZ9SWJB9Tsl6Ze5h9DV1GV45OfsNCLH1kHtx5+wVby2OhAvVWHnqyE/wSVLlSr /dmjAyf5NGbN7QxvR5HNqRuN0bUDFKlzBjtoJQiC0MiaYIzTS0/dl2oUXCBwfRS/ lLZOG8zaWbi8xGQQVVOnZRf+s5+Yq3Ub3wQsmiXe+DGi4NNqQ29zLt2AWLKdaG26 4pSzDGwpnUieUo3a5S14XwstBitSwkMNLSpGCr7UWH7CD7LfCPtUYHnZu0ukk+ua QO+PncdN/Tg9+Pdi/pOsJ7aCTg1w8Sn6c8N9W/PLxFAPju/eKhe1vkYWX1T4sLSZ n/nfcuQgH4CsQ0YVwS4IM5vkJVOfrls7p1/yBZrY5WCk7iKwvgLFmaItyBlLPZXg HzIwFGWKqAOFPWKzq468EhWCKqzX80W03IPYU1E0DlOM+803wypu8xzUbYVhnTm4 XcVaS07uEhxm2Q6pJ5G8SjIL8EgqJEwdXerJNPdgr6H/ObNH6/LzovmVwkQxxS+Z 9o/Zx6j4pJxUZV6X+p1RL/KA0ldQ2xMflZA2tkxB+6zkHPl4Nl9/c98UYHuq3Vy8 4DCrTQQOQeIiUmpvBN2Q =lvZ0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --5B7grKTo60LxpCXMoxz6Ab2AO9VE8THLc--