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Mon, 24 Feb 2020 08:08:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] rfc: comrel changes To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org References: <20200217161812.GA5969@linux1.home> <441737a3d1c0efdfc9f95b1cb1fde47b0f55d58f.camel@gentoo.org> <126ac095ce1f3cd3fd75c4ad977d9ed1e08123df.camel@gentoo.org> From: Mikle Kolyada Autocrypt: addr=zlogene@gentoo.org; keydata= mQENBFtCkdwBCAC7LGb65KM8ZhysEDzbBnggTsUMXMZ3pJWFQtLaxm8f99p2HL9GFcEP94A6 BXExWzMcIba/AdL0ogU2mS/Jbs7DHUFVRT3yQDtiq+md5h3hZvi52QyRlELWG9ElDLuUse5E 58WJgLx+SXD5qgUowqTgCzNbXAJQNKQtNWIC+Zy29m53Xj8yBnRsRuwd0kO/Zn7DJL5dCKL2 ItzfJNpG5MTayLyNkl3QgCqPPFsQEd7aqqqhxq1pn/dwX22vyMJwsv/6SV5vaNTYSg9p8hVn r3mLVYg6/UIvwAIgNJKhQlG1bkoOq5+jgq8a7GdRUeY8fHSqLERucmal8fBqWmvZH+jRABEB AAG0Ik1pa2xlIEtvbHlhZGEgPHpsb2dlbmVAZ2VudG9vLm9yZz6JAVQEEwEIAD4CGwMFCwkI BwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AWIQRRPEwdu6XuhrjZQ70+fhwhqdFLlwUCW2fApgUJBEPe ygAKCRA+fhwhqdFLl7CeB/9qYF51wrMuzpLW/znrH0YZmYo9pm7kmLxbWezJH74hH97rJOer X+RoNR0nAGrBdZzObiHWhXah5BFrln8Fyv8oE5IDnO9OCN+PE8hXSSSYv6VvtNX6FXgMaqvR XC5kd1/ugvpPmwbbfTp0uasRATjlsXSfb7FAMLAcP2lYbv1dFA2mUHNCtFtIg7Zu+KJTXyeN wPEXrMtgt4j3zL96Drq1AOxkR5D5pPYnzJG+xrOpRoarXVjCI6MsYYKd+E6WRQPIgkeY4mxK FBK3sSNQMAY+FNiWNK3G4529zCLzekv4KQHDSRnfOhfevOogiUCnNUWl9pRDI7uRfSjP0JZw wLi2uQENBFtCkiQBCACkXeNeajg+f6XKDGJOHnxMs3PUeaaqx36wRkevzWjY20VwzSYOq2zn dXP/9Sz7mrJc2aQRXSAfbSeJvsInG/jyBI3vz2Lm6pRx3FkzHatjli5lEhtM6CQIpfZ9Rp18 YiJfrjnah/3UesBekbBOouxQv6188z/Hdilot6opvh1rd1sBE7ugB9w7E11e92bRLfuzCxa/ gKEu2CnH38zq5PQUvFVxRYuKeVXDaSFZc9IFNuysTW5EZOaowL6weeYFktChmvOR/WlSWBIk mrqRSwqJWoj0w2VDt/pzAE0RtQ1gztMcpzKOLSfyPrgP33UAb7VY/fjOwoggqFS0v3dEgj/z ABEBAAGJAnIEGAEIACYCGwIWIQRRPEwdu6XuhrjZQ70+fhwhqdFLlwUCXKDZ9gUJAz97UgFA wHQgBBkBCAAdFiEEWmyBGnI+Eihw6dN8HICQJIqVl8cFAltCkiQACgkQHICQJIqVl8fQzAf/ d9upIp1pgsBC8ie8fwN6mVMiE/u44LimyWBm/G813a0utxYIG10oBGQojq0LuOaLRBm/dvZz wl7ptDwIOubrvAXy6uGY0SOu+e05sKS730Pm5AoRsBx2UDdBIng3Xl/96FlIS8jDLDYgYh0F TXoKb6TNobWJD8caaFS1GC/iDil8AaFZcTPLtPtdDpC2rdQzOHfloVjDk93CZDUEGb/OXSfO nNk93mfXOoCu2Qmwb+bKOeavUPf5+yNiPFzz1/ktnuGXZrgsojRU2m+piyD3zWxisLuDLqP8 GSqYpNpt1JyRTXX6+FqOcGpFv/dineOJXFJaRXwVs0z3IwXYr394awkQPn4cIanRS5fgsAf8 DUKEr7K4tEEXbxKFgpq5P05jKWaQcFSHZN2WG18f89ARJABgAk5APTRD+UvJv9xcy5i8rhvW VJ6JPkYtjxP9r4wQKA7qVpS0ni6DEfweDtcUrIjZu7vdevUNdu4zBv97gK7hyCuy7f3FETPX AsD/99hHMJcKSjeJ/zJ84g/W7BhjZZUp+ZmpC1BdLiU3ZJEHSUBtbBasJDRIvxWqAu95AAfr rdqSDcthe/eIGcBUgrfLD3PESQfO/Q74nuWinsgIGCvO8LB7kc0pWAtTHhraPLyLq+XqvVMK /RoW4g/4pO4d2G3Xt/gSKnLcWtPbd654HUnSi28y/Am3Nx5jfVi68LkBDQRbQpP0AQgAroTc ZKog9QT3rYF6PDWRVk1MBsJgDM5Xl2amZqP5TVOEwXgQNu6f5rwsfANRqCdsSfhn3odYmPWo Yy1hRCFZeXcDEc6l5tG5JRGt9SIxrCFPsfnfpY2h5ll9ycxiveKf3g+xUO72UEtDY979W0LZ 2/xxDOaWd5XGKt+Dmncsx4vMktCi54a4M3JWnLJqfx5nP7gIWXNqzqEEUFIZ2NbJFpPu89jb zglVcgfpWVqDirnOk17wh1C15YFkZHlek+ErwbsfS2hGESqpJRu5q3MatYWYvVwGgCkdtORw WguVKdBS3sOEo+IFIsckglnR3lq+ElXje6vVFqpcJAB0K9AMMQARAQABiQE8BBgBCAAmAhsM FiEEUTxMHbul7oa42UO9Pn4cIanRS5cFAlyg2fYFCQM/eYIACgkQPn4cIanRS5ex0gf6AhBQ F9t918l4l+q+mHzyeaWNO6E3neh2Ibv2FEyR84RXU5+4hXKIkKvWdpaX+PEre8tTAu0fvQF5 ivtc0mpx74SqkUR+g8u8mVY8JzsmiWwCu/Adx+nEzwo1XkzzwiThKnIGwieaulT7N77otTHE g2wdeIr4Epn6/ro5y/QPEbvjoJAfw/ByyVadH1pA4HNbvBwC04xfCpbF4QSDqLZXSY8PX7Je UfN4m3VjKoxrYHYox0B/l7F1GMV7xhXBy2/uP17InEG4ezswr0yIbNrGQrpvBtuDC3sBQUmZ 0ZvJVRUFFXGoDfLcqDP4gK24UnddF8OSKKStbk8ueP3o96xDsQ== Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 11:08:28 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.5.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <126ac095ce1f3cd3fd75c4ad977d9ed1e08123df.camel@gentoo.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="x4mjpuXKnpNBqku5TTFO1owu5gHgFJ1MP" X-Archives-Salt: 69d819a3-31b8-4da5-a3ed-3705f57fd4ae X-Archives-Hash: e045d87c1cdd3a50462523cd1dbdd72c This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --x4mjpuXKnpNBqku5TTFO1owu5gHgFJ1MP Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="A0JftEa0W5e3XO1RyNtoGwmF9Lyu2DzAW" --A0JftEa0W5e3XO1RyNtoGwmF9Lyu2DzAW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US On 24.02.2020 10:47, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > On Sat, 2020-02-22 at 22:35 -0800, Alec Warner wrote: >> On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 9:39 PM Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 2020-02-21 at 22:11 +0000, Roy Bamford wrote: >>>> This 'revision' group alread exists. Its called the Gentoo council. >>>> Unless, that is, council have no oversight of comrel? >>> No, that's not how things work. You don't have an appeal body >>> proactively look into what all projects are doing. >>> >> I think by definition this is reactive. Comrel publishes a report[0], = and >> the Council[1] reviews it. > I thought we've already established that the reports are meaningless. > > The way I see it, your system basically means that, repeatedly: > > 1. ComRel does their job. > > 2. ComRel wastes their time publishing a meaningless report. > > 3. Since the report is meaningless, Council has to audit ComRel's work.= > > Since digging for past data is usually more effort than processing it > as it flows, Council may as well start proactively auditing everything.= =20 > Except that's not its purpose, and I don't see why we should throw > random extra tasks on their plate just because. > > In my opinion, if we are to go for auditing ComRel, we should select > a separate group of people for that, people that choose to put their > effort into auditing rather than incidentally get dragged into it. > Furthermore, I believe this group should not have any direct deciding > power. Instead, they should bring any issues their find to ComRel's > attention and/or appeal them to the Council. > This is meaningless also, because an individual who finds ComRel decision unacceptable can appeal to Council directly, you do not need third party layer here. --A0JftEa0W5e3XO1RyNtoGwmF9Lyu2DzAW-- --x4mjpuXKnpNBqku5TTFO1owu5gHgFJ1MP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEWmyBGnI+Eihw6dN8HICQJIqVl8cFAl5ThIUACgkQHICQJIqV l8flRggAkVbm8dGgNmzH9/UERt+ECtuKio3604y8mPYQpXaVDm9fndUT/3sQ/K/k aSL/hRRZ3iHL2RJPrxhNgAaeEmeid81Y6P8f5b/tTLaq0ZM8n36TVbLF6SAbyLSq sLAhLWN4V2EFGiGX88f0uuAZHHZEv88Ww9tt6wk/4ufeaL0lRALFNCFFV4grCFQB 6/bFLmR51KKo3aAGGaiZqSIipzj1MZX4oLmg/3Hhxjfndi0cRzPioKBclSDqOiVh p2dsquozSladhVYIscHZ5AjyToWs/bDdD+vExtoSfe4kE+kh7CKkMteXKkz1xc+S kZ+nEVAEzM5kI7+bWtdNNUFRyG8aIQ== =iIBO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --x4mjpuXKnpNBqku5TTFO1owu5gHgFJ1MP--