Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Fwd: [Bug 708986] veremitz: abusing the ML for frivolous chatter

[Michael 'veremitz' Everitt <gentoo@veremit.xyz>]

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On 19/02/20 16:31, Raymond Jennings wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 1:06 AM Michael 'veremitz' Everitt
> <gentoo@veremit.xyz <mailto:gentoo@veremit.xyz>> wrote:
>
>     There is a chance though, that it'll take you two weeks to "decide"
>     .. LOL :D
>
>     On 19/02/20 09:04, Michael 'veremitz' Everitt wrote:
>>     This should never have been posted on -dev in the first place .. so
>>     here's the more appropriate place for discussion ..
>>
>>     Oh Mikle, you better ban me from this list y'know .. this is
>>     confidential info on a public list again ..
>>
>>
>>     -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>     Subject: 	[Bug 708986] veremitz: abusing the ML for frivolous chatter
>>     Date: 	Wed, 19 Feb 2020 08:22:05 +0000
>>     From: 	bugzilla-daemon@gentoo.org <mailto:bugzilla-daemon@gentoo.org>
>>     Reply-To: 	DO NOT REPLY <devnull@localhost.invalid>
>>     <mailto:devnull@localhost.invalid>
>>     To: 	gentoo@veremit.xyz <mailto:gentoo@veremit.xyz>
>>
>>
>>
>>     *Comment # 14 <https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708986#c14>
>>     on bug 708986 <https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708986> from
>>     Mikle Kolyada <mailto:zlogene@gentoo.org> *
>>     (In reply to Michael 'veremitz' Everitt from comment #13 <https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708986#c13>)
>>     > Seriously guys, if you're gonna enact a ban, get on with it, otherwise it > looks like you're taking the piss when you threaten actions and
>>     never follow > through until weeks afterwards because $procedure
>>     $policy and general lag > and incompetence and disinterest from the
>>     parties involved. > > As the great proverb once said (and I hear
>>     this translates adequately well > into non-English) .. Shit or Get
>>     Off the Pot. > > OK? > > [and you wonder why this whole
>>     process/procedure thing looks so broken and > stupid from the
>>     outside, or even from the inside.....] > > > Yes, I'm actually
>>     advocating for my own ban. GET ON WITH IT.
>>
>>     Please leave your hissy fit outside gentoo, nobody must read it here.
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> Veremitz, in spite of whatever sympathy I may or may not have for your
> case, this sort of inflammatory dialog is at a minimum spam that clutters
> the lists.
>
> Please, for the good of the project, take your grievances to the
> appropriate venue.
>
With respect, this is the problem Gentoo faces .. either you address the
issues, or you continue hiding from them, and sweeping them under the
carpet. Historically there's never been a particularly good solution - and
consequently time goes on, making the same noises, half-assing the response
and just generally looking incompetent. If you're gonna have a policy on
something - use it .. quit bickering about its contents, and live with it.
That's my point here, and it amuses me each time some more time is wasted
bike-shedding "what to do" .. and just general lag. If people, self
included, actually DID as much as they shout/bicker/bike-shed about, this
distribution wouldn't have half the problems of manpower it suffers...

Yes, perhaps I'm being a bit of a psycho martyr here, but I think a few
people need to hear examples of "what went wrong" so they can look at "why"
and perhaps explore "what should we do better" - but that's probably a bit
optimistic on my part ..

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