From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0EDA2139694 for ; Thu, 11 May 2017 07:52:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1C55D21C153; Thu, 11 May 2017 07:52:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D116621C13C for ; Thu, 11 May 2017 07:52:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.10.30] (ool-4571a227.dyn.optonline.net [69.113.162.39]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: NP-Hardass) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DB0F23416D3; Thu, 11 May 2017 07:52:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Items for Council Agenda, May 14 To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org References: <0ac908a7-9875-f629-fa0c-0c85945e1185@gentoo.org> <871srvx3o8.fsf@kestrel.kyomu.43-1.org> Cc: council@gentoo.org, Matthias Maier From: NP-Hardass Openpgp: id=862040BE422755F27FDE13D5671C52F118F89C67; url=https://sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x671C52F118F89C67 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 03:52:31 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <871srvx3o8.fsf@kestrel.kyomu.43-1.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jr9cqncbtUbBnQ5iMrnQVv7HUI0e5q4rB" X-Archives-Salt: 34aa7651-d517-4ca8-8823-1c108cb4b5f4 X-Archives-Hash: fa4947dc222e939b6d0f1fefbf642c1c This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --jr9cqncbtUbBnQ5iMrnQVv7HUI0e5q4rB Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="U4LlhcDijVWR1KIx7ObJjbD65Kgq2sR4C"; protected-headers="v1" From: NP-Hardass To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Cc: council@gentoo.org, Matthias Maier Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Items for Council Agenda, May 14 References: <0ac908a7-9875-f629-fa0c-0c85945e1185@gentoo.org> <871srvx3o8.fsf@kestrel.kyomu.43-1.org> In-Reply-To: <871srvx3o8.fsf@kestrel.kyomu.43-1.org> --U4LlhcDijVWR1KIx7ObJjbD65Kgq2sR4C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 05/11/2017 03:17 AM, Matthias Maier wrote: > Hello all, >=20 > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017, at 12:00 CDT, "Anthony G. Basile" wrote: >=20 >> Hi everyone, >> >> The Gentoo Council will be meeting in two weeks. If anyone has any >> issues we need to discuss, please let me know and I'll put it on the >> agenda. Thanks. >=20 > I would like to make a last minute proposal. >=20 > Proposal: >=20 > I ask the council to establish a procedure / team to moderate the > gentoo-project@ and gentoo-dev@ mailing lists: >=20 > - In general the amount of moderation shall as minimal as possible > (in particular developers and long-time contributors > unconditionally green-lighted),=20 > - but for non-developers abusing the mailing lists for their own > agenda their contributions shall be moderated. > - Similar to irc operators there shall be a decicated moderator team= > to ensure a quick and timely response. > - The moderator team shall be different from council members, and > ideally also comrel, such that these groups can act as a check and= > balance. >=20 > Rationale: >=20 > The gentoo-dev@ and gentoo-project@ mailing lists nowadays serve > an important role for Gentoo development (e.g. mandatory announcement= , > RFCs, PATCH reviews). This function is currently severly impeded due > to the high level of noise and unrelated personal agenda [1]. >=20 > Best, > Matthias >=20 > [1] https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/ >=20 I'm going to second the proposal. As an aside, in considering this, I'd like a priori moderation (whitelist+manual passthrough) to be weighed against a posteriori moderation (automatic passthrough+reactionary blacklisting), assuming that both are feasible with our ML system. A priori moderation certainly reduces the amount of messages that need to be filtered from getting through, but requires significantly more effort from a moderation team. Anyone not on the (semi)permanent whitelist must be reviewed before their message gets through which might be more effort than our moderators are willing or able to deal with. A posteriori moderation means that the moderation team doesn't prevent any messages from going through to begin with, reacting to messages that are considered abusive by adding a user to a temporary (or in worst case scenario, permanent) blacklist. This means that an abusive user will get some of their messages before being classified as needing moderation through, because the moderation is reactionary. However, this significantly reduces the moderation burden. --=20 NP-Hardass --U4LlhcDijVWR1KIx7ObJjbD65Kgq2sR4C-- --jr9cqncbtUbBnQ5iMrnQVv7HUI0e5q4rB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEv526yLNI+t7RHfJZHNlBHbKvGPsFAlkUGD8ACgkQHNlBHbKv GPuh4g//StuLUYMJ1ca0XWCYSA3UnMdGpFEyMmhu3quJ4J1g/QHNq6MPkXk3Ahuo GI7acs9MIvCDP1fmwg0tFhxPeTv3WIghBLeGKwVBMYDUOhm4w3veDosNlAQzidmi OeRObw9/Zth/7J1/93A7U3qyklcbWtPqZSzCaVlnunMl0lRRo06iFB+jAYp8Quay ZV5B7w62PIej00W9gEePtnjoyYhJiqHZWUXWhuOcfdsV5hXgGhx71X2OL9f90ACD d7euR5m1jadll1AZJjyEEDAPLGoqXB38K83dF8smuR0zpycV96wgtsGQPq52Qlv1 +9OfpsIIz6iEv6lkJjHroHt9u0ExVqTePItPugeAlK+QR4e92CWhFOKe3IuHyKE2 OD7n2GQQzV8sJkTOLNNT0uA0j1GRchwPguW+ruGxVlqQRDDT5gOU9NfqacUI1Jo1 waUeM5xG328EBNn3EeyiSesUIzPZgBV5Vsu6TXarjw21PKO12L/IT0gRPGjzva7m 7QnJM4/cey7Gh4AvOM3VjDGljRhJSTsBRavY8BXBTpwAABrPfam92jz4eBK8G6zj TBUv8d3jPXnmFu2OLKGgsIU7KMHZfvlrrwUd28yAXdb3y6bFCkUt5nKphB4CrQgt tZGrtRMPBLhMvzCNzcQTs3r+SM+XovbDAU383xluHeze4ErriT0= =W6aM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jr9cqncbtUbBnQ5iMrnQVv7HUI0e5q4rB--