From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1473D138334 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 15:02:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A2EDDE0A95; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 15:02:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (dev.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5305FE0A90 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 15:02:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.40] (95-86-192-181.static.yaroslavl.ru [95.86.192.181]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: zlogene) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B04E5335C7D for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 15:02:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: [pre-glep] Security Project Structure To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org References: <6137e99b-2995-0569-9d3d-250924fdf116@gentoo.org> <1d3c9d30-5570-de92-3da9-75bd33c02075@gentoo.org> <21194272-4039-e473-8f57-426021fb24b7@gentoo.org> <20181204224658.e3ef5e97796e238120bc833d@gentoo.org> From: Mikle Kolyada Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=zlogene@gentoo.org; keydata= xsBNBFtCkdwBCAC7LGb65KM8ZhysEDzbBnggTsUMXMZ3pJWFQtLaxm8f99p2HL9GFcEP94A6 BXExWzMcIba/AdL0ogU2mS/Jbs7DHUFVRT3yQDtiq+md5h3hZvi52QyRlELWG9ElDLuUse5E 58WJgLx+SXD5qgUowqTgCzNbXAJQNKQtNWIC+Zy29m53Xj8yBnRsRuwd0kO/Zn7DJL5dCKL2 ItzfJNpG5MTayLyNkl3QgCqPPFsQEd7aqqqhxq1pn/dwX22vyMJwsv/6SV5vaNTYSg9p8hVn r3mLVYg6/UIvwAIgNJKhQlG1bkoOq5+jgq8a7GdRUeY8fHSqLERucmal8fBqWmvZH+jRABEB AAHNIk1pa2xlIEtvbHlhZGEgPHpsb2dlbmVAZ2VudG9vLm9yZz7CwJQEEwEIAD4CGwMFCwkI BwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AWIQRRPEwdu6XuhrjZQ70+fhwhqdFLlwUCW2fApgUJBEPe ygAKCRA+fhwhqdFLl7CeB/9qYF51wrMuzpLW/znrH0YZmYo9pm7kmLxbWezJH74hH97rJOer X+RoNR0nAGrBdZzObiHWhXah5BFrln8Fyv8oE5IDnO9OCN+PE8hXSSSYv6VvtNX6FXgMaqvR XC5kd1/ugvpPmwbbfTp0uasRATjlsXSfb7FAMLAcP2lYbv1dFA2mUHNCtFtIg7Zu+KJTXyeN wPEXrMtgt4j3zL96Drq1AOxkR5D5pPYnzJG+xrOpRoarXVjCI6MsYYKd+E6WRQPIgkeY4mxK FBK3sSNQMAY+FNiWNK3G4529zCLzekv4KQHDSRnfOhfevOogiUCnNUWl9pRDI7uRfSjP0JZw wLi2zsBNBFtCk/QBCACuhNxkqiD1BPetgXo8NZFWTUwGwmAMzleXZqZmo/lNU4TBeBA27p/m vCx8A1GoJ2xJ+Gfeh1iY9ahjLWFEIVl5dwMRzqXm0bklEa31IjGsIU+x+d+ljaHmWX3JzGK9 4p/eD7FQ7vZQS0Nj3v1bQtnb/HEM5pZ3lcYq34OadyzHi8yS0KLnhrgzclacsmp/Hmc/uAhZ c2rOoQRQUhnY1skWk+7z2NvOCVVyB+lZWoOKuc6TXvCHULXlgWRkeV6T4SvBux9LaEYRKqkl G7mrcxq1hZi9XAaAKR205HBaC5Up0FLew4Sj4gUixySCWdHeWr4SVeN7q9UWqlwkAHQr0Awx ABEBAAHCwHwEGAEIACYWIQRRPEwdu6XuhrjZQ70+fhwhqdFLlwUCW0KT9AIbDAUJAeEzgAAK CRA+fhwhqdFLl8OaCAC5LukojlzCg+hsLDXSGt0zaj751ZGdUjcRkkU8UobjJ57tGqBvynl/ spjcmcZrguFBSnA/+xOKfGC6kczr8H4OOkAIU8omwS1rikcQ2QzYfTx5hIlhVcKXVCJOutR3 hgbdnnKEBhku+x8OwGsqkvCnRz0T84vwFhnvYvVg4Nn2H/sOddBDZQa6bpIZSppb1R2sc4Pw 9zufGLod02DL16ePFgrcW552HmteIiXwYSx5/DZu8Rwg/HYh/RXDaNZNDyO5YE/XRfP3Q7ok fEoGK/ojHemB5iDi75RPSwCr1czTEewZHGQBc+yZRGHVXousxXnqFlk8MAUWuiXJngVtMeVq Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2018 18:02:33 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.2 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20181204224658.e3ef5e97796e238120bc833d@gentoo.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Xjz1GGhzZlpVn9GIQICfmdVda8yJTBciG" X-Archives-Salt: 46a1a9a1-e255-4c7c-a2ae-f93175081ee2 X-Archives-Hash: 118de456826b0063535a563da0cfb86b This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --Xjz1GGhzZlpVn9GIQICfmdVda8yJTBciG Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="utUYaL8rzO2YfwM1weXKgM28dCxDLrHkV"; protected-headers="v1" From: Mikle Kolyada To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: [pre-glep] Security Project Structure References: <6137e99b-2995-0569-9d3d-250924fdf116@gentoo.org> <1d3c9d30-5570-de92-3da9-75bd33c02075@gentoo.org> <21194272-4039-e473-8f57-426021fb24b7@gentoo.org> <20181204224658.e3ef5e97796e238120bc833d@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <20181204224658.e3ef5e97796e238120bc833d@gentoo.org> --utUYaL8rzO2YfwM1weXKgM28dCxDLrHkV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US On 05.12.2018 6:46, Virgil Dupras wrote: > On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 17:05:55 -0500 > Michael Orlitzky wrote: > >> This is technically correct, but: how many users even know what a=20 >> security-supported arch is? I would guess zero, to a decimal point or = >> two. Where would I encounter that information in my daily life? >> >> If I pick up any software system that's run by professionals and that = >> has a dedicated security team, my out-of-the-box assumption is that=20 >> there aren't any known, glaring, and totally fixable security=20 >> vulnerabilities being quietly handed to me. >> >> Having a stable arch that isn't security-supported is a meta-fail... w= e=20 >> have a system that fails open by giving people something that looks li= ke=20 >> it should be safe and then (when it bites them) saying "but you didn't= =20 >> read the fine print!" It should be the other way around: they should=20 >> have to read the fine print before they can use those arches. >> > I very much agree with this. If we end up deciding on keeping the > "supported arches" system, I would like to propose that we also add a > big red warning, on the download page of unsupported arches, that > states that this can't be considered secure and that links to our > Vulnerability Treatment Policy. > > I don't have arm systems anymore, but for a while I did and at the > time, I wasn't aware at all of this situation. That's not fun and we > probably have many arm users right now who are unknowingly running > insecure systems. > > Regards, > Virgil Dupras The "stable" definition within the security project is ridiculous and has to be clarified. Stable =3D=3D "once stable arches are stabilised we can send a GLSA". It does not mean that so-called "security unstable" arches do not get stable updates. --utUYaL8rzO2YfwM1weXKgM28dCxDLrHkV-- --Xjz1GGhzZlpVn9GIQICfmdVda8yJTBciG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEWmyBGnI+Eihw6dN8HICQJIqVl8cFAlwH6I0ACgkQHICQJIqV l8eJNQgAl6SXqGTugGkHE098+iVAguuXwJIDtppHT2m31ajFn9FAHkFDhATOeMMQ whz7mdciCQ8RpIJL3N9M3051/EyM2RI8pD66yBVl60iRUC5AHikelLPjCh+GFWwp kD8evpmSsF6IkKUBLcy6FC2/lLijlsjs1gu1J+Fi36mHs0betwrF8bIeF1iMCOel Ky/gvs4WWmK6LR5I+a+alvW2ORHGUrwOZF9u7A9qDcVes0YM+EBbNcR19Y5y4Iag 3FbXSVWa4c41iSgkT6u7aFAzvPC7/wbntvuT8/Jzh81O5lGnLKdlRCij/0QWEZV2 vFDc/ly810q258JiaQ2lkZnH42361Q== =aQ/T -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Xjz1GGhzZlpVn9GIQICfmdVda8yJTBciG--