On Mon, 2019-07-08 at 06:43 +0200, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> > > > > > On Sun, 07 Jul 2019, Michał Górny wrote:
> > My second agenda item is: removing posting restrictions from gentoo-dev
> > mailing list.
> > I was on the Council that made those changes, and from retrospective I
> > believe the decision to be a mistake.  It was made to workaround
> > a problem with inefficiency of ComRel, and we should have focused
> > on fixing ComRel instead.  I don't believe it serves its purpose well
> > and IMO it causes more problems than it solves.
> 
> The restriction was introduced because of the problems that you had
> pointed out in [1]. What measures do you propose instead, in order to
> address these problems?

As for the attacks, I believe having active Proctors team is
the
solution.  After all, they provide more proactive approach
and better
response times than ComRel used to.

As for the off-topics, I don't think we really solved it.  After all:

a. some of the problematic traffic has shifted to -project or other
mailing lists,

b. frequently *developers* are the source of the problem.

The third problem mentioned is a minor one and I think we can live with
it.

I would also like to remind that the initial proposal made sense because
it restricted both -dev and -project, so the split between mailing lists
was preserved.  The decision to restrict one but not the other has
resulted in switching the split to 'devs only' and 'everyone', without
matching change of rules.

In the end, instead of following the rule '-dev for technical, -project
for not-strictly-technical', people are following the rule '-dev if you
don't want external input, -project if you want external input'.

I can admit mistakes.  Can you?


> [1] https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/message/6e7cc13cd850be7dbd86376d3a197a16

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Best regards,
Michał Górny