From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63ED8138334 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2019 12:39:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E3BBFE08B0; Mon, 17 Jun 2019 12:39:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lf1-x130.google.com (mail-lf1-x130.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::130]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 835B9E08AE for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2019 12:39:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lf1-x130.google.com with SMTP id j29so6365477lfk.10 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2019 05:39:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=bW353JyZxGxwtYX6SiCcUPk3Mmzy8YI/gxVGOZygMrw=; b=r5utPyKGWkr05o3EriCvhaJhLKMjDveTVlRUOUH73dYvroG9TsjDhKLsqghLFdkiDf cuNl3xKgHgGuZpHminc6TplYzlfC3l6Pp//9SViiDqtZZt8rI+ZRR5eNcYFSDxjNc/XB EeJjVWhxn8VzBWr97JtpiRUhAwKJIe3FgJxYZWSJgbQmPkXlqM91WO/wMYobjQxq++6s NsO4vsKtv05nC8jhWWbQ3IJBRCRn7Rk9U8WKHWwlwURachtFDFy+l26WjuEMEomphvwP MCXef0aobhiN8e9yzjHgNIkhtRr2OAva3+/D+I0BgROXD6GWbIdxlitut0ZA3iyoYGJB Mpsw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=bW353JyZxGxwtYX6SiCcUPk3Mmzy8YI/gxVGOZygMrw=; b=UYp+RQgp373tw9zSeNNUoqHrrooVqf3uXu41LGIQohXq4P/M8H7uTsGLFSDmDd654i oZ1sMMCzCEUCv2i24yHp5KnUk/r72TNDhtLENIgeqpKlIGkiC75kfHA+3O2I0lyBckjH w/w2oU73Jk3ls6QWySeyZUJphC5MEbTjNjHZzSiVlPFoKI51rjsN9eyMON9vikjUeaFV Fs9kadm3/N6UygTBkrb3LiYKuLquOAXb2MYcxc0Rcr0iBA0Wzixw08ZEntdvkPe4kp/i Pkbm9rTJeKUkGB9Ui52j6QgchEQRJW3Ghc96sVjQchc9+6anQc9BBis1+kmqa4kO4cIh QaHA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVpcTdqU6JZAPDzbPwVum1hPybeI+QZBd/vo28yEjkoPMw9j4fR IMj/5l0e2f7TPbg6wlW2Wb1bT1Lv X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzW94UlhULx7b7oTCHvnabI0RfX6oKg+sGOLSGjmyhmEhjzM/7Dy8N70OBVVQEMv3bdRBsghQ== X-Received: by 2002:a19:2247:: with SMTP id i68mr54076362lfi.174.1560775161659; Mon, 17 Jun 2019 05:39:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.33.70.56] ([83.145.195.18]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i195sm1761507lfi.87.2019.06.17.05.39.20 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 17 Jun 2019 05:39:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Aggregated status whiteboard for projects To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org References: From: Joonas Niilola Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 15:39:57 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Archives-Salt: ad3eeb26-4927-4bac-b7bf-c03ca7f5db91 X-Archives-Hash: a4c209015070d210901b021df5b226d3 On 6/4/19 2:35 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > Hi, > > Right now we lack a consisted aggregated source of project status. Some > projects report their progress via website news, some use various > mailing lists, some don't report status at all. I'd like to propose > a new method for publishing an opt-in 'status whiteboard' for projects. > > The idea is to create a special template on wiki. The projects > interested in publishing their status would use the template to put it > on the page. As a result, besides being published as part of project > page it would be aggregated for machine processing. > > Then, we'd create a simple aggregated listing of all projects publishing > their status. This sounds a bit vague currently, and for me it's quite hard to imagine what you exactly mean. Maybe some simple mock-up would help to explain it better? Is the "status" indicator simply 'active/inactive'? Do you write your own goals and then set it 'in good health / behind intended progress'? How does it get defined, automatically or manually? Because if it's manually written, projects can be set 'active' now but forgotten in weeks. If it's automatic, how does it get defined? I think the purpose here is to spot inactive projects easier? Depending how this is implemented, I don't believe it will help the situation with inactive projects at all, and may deceive the status even more. > > The exact data reported is unspecified. For example, it could state > the current releases, what the project is currently working on, etc. > The primary purpose would be to let users and developers know better > what's happening inside Gentoo. The secondary purpose would be to > provide a quick health check. > > What do you think? I comply with this and encourage more projects to update their wiki pages, and keep them active. Such as project goals and current status. Some projects already do this quite well, like Gnome. There are people reading. -- juippis