From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 10E8C138334 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2019 22:18:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BD290E07D0; Sun, 16 Jun 2019 22:18:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (mail.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 80872E07BA for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2019 22:18:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2001:4dd3:be0f:0:54dc:9279:3d88:ad1d] (2001-4dd3-be0f-0-54dc-9279-3d88-ad1d.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de [IPv6:2001:4dd3:be0f:0:54dc:9279:3d88:ad1d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: whissi) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 46381346271 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2019 22:18:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees: Power balance To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org References: <20190615124220.fcf0c08b22481d5bc6c2dbe0@gentoo.org> <20190615130033.68b4d85861a54fb0824583a9@gentoo.org> From: Thomas Deutschmann Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=whissi@gentoo.org; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQINBFc4iggBEACg/drq2pkXyE0mO7cqfaH5UX9D2A8uaBWHcgVPZdf+bVlc7gT1b/TJgFBO yCecB1j9ReWWAE55nwraFL7+5XofRnwVzC3PglN/M/F02fudCeEkFfDtH65DZ67LV0QqXOZ7 e2aqD1NxJM1ydcehIoxgESiv8ctMCcb5Jui2A7vddxEBouQqJKDVqXqANEiBrtd0x4+noRC3 07BN80SgUiwuSJp8Y9+LSdKWGxiDxFAQygDlLWu1QIOg2PUjrM1ZtKCii8IcbnhsEPZj0jcQ f/omIHaksyfMdx6lHfSUZzzLQm41nhWlgYUxzW4D8Nh+ka51FIIWRWwNJTXQNpU8s32AT+rr K2hyNY0F+hnCRc0gUJtAACPZYNYNMlTCIb5yLKo5qoRKcHkAI3vAPEsPO8nmpYaxhI+9PwWJ 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boundary="er5vVfDcXrNdcs9dYk4d3cpDjjCuzlWxk" X-Archives-Salt: 3cee0ad9-cf8a-4cae-bbf9-5103ad2bcd5a X-Archives-Hash: c996ca1a62d47bdaf257f4cccc2db425 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --er5vVfDcXrNdcs9dYk4d3cpDjjCuzlWxk Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="dKddFgDwF6TzEUOi6KVMgIoNfsFriJHsQ"; protected-headers="v1" From: Thomas Deutschmann To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees: Power balance References: <20190615124220.fcf0c08b22481d5bc6c2dbe0@gentoo.org> <20190615130033.68b4d85861a54fb0824583a9@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <20190615130033.68b4d85861a54fb0824583a9@gentoo.org> --dKddFgDwF6TzEUOi6KVMgIoNfsFriJHsQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, On 2019-06-15 12:00, Andrew Savchenko wrote: > Gentoo power balance was carefully crafted over the years. However > during last year that balance was disrupted: >=20 > 1. The same person can now be in the Gentoo Council and the Trustees > board. > 2. QA can now bypass Comrel on bans. >=20 > What is your opinion on this? > Should this balance be left as is? > If it should be tuned, then how? >=20 > I'm worried about that some people or teams may gain too much power > and misuse it. I fully share your concerns. Please read what I wrote before council voted on that topic https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/message/ba028e0ca53f6f55cf04f5= 2645b52cee and during that meeting and today in https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/message/a3b6bf6b96d2703ea71ec3= e0fdc4889b. But even if some of us are disagreeing and concerned, for now we have to accept and respect that this motion passed. That's part of any democratic process. May I ask you if you know GLEP 77 (Gentoo General Resolution)? With such a 'rescue tool' in place we all should be a little bit more relaxed and have some faith in each other, even if we disagree on some topics. --=20 Regards, Thomas Deutschmann / Gentoo Linux Developer C4DD 695F A713 8F24 2AA1 5638 5849 7EE5 1D5D 74A5 --dKddFgDwF6TzEUOi6KVMgIoNfsFriJHsQ-- --er5vVfDcXrNdcs9dYk4d3cpDjjCuzlWxk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGTBAEBCgB9FiEEExKRzo+LDXJgXHuURObr3Jv2BVkFAl0GwCpfFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDEz MTI5MUNFOEY4QjBENzI2MDVDN0I5NDQ0RTZFQkRDOUJGNjA1NTkACgkQRObr3Jv2 BVn94wf7BUwSX3jHzaNQbDfx1fqsh00+KAIClTds5cP+SOEMr5jhfiMBpDfDZyv7 7Lcn7j3M0CcYokbm2RZoygoPLQdmeJahCyZW2GlOYHCrrdcZTD5ctXKqYHVLAzot dxakhp7H7ownzknMkUOwQ2HcmhLffGOuvBgtyOdFIpciBdrx6JlYYLiWDGxzdWgR VKo7jyNt5HMMP+N9r/Vl4ogvQfxKSrUiAl+QNmreQJsuiK/qJB9/H9IrvvP1mzpZ 6EcNykw1IuXH7M+tUu9Welj19IkUPtCfIKgd8McS0tRsrIliu3apBXY7G6GxRlWZ jaC60vNoVIZ26wBOmb+k/QJRoaW1lA== =jEs0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --er5vVfDcXrNdcs9dYk4d3cpDjjCuzlWxk--