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boundary="6DdecV4I5LQjrO4Ewxoj7Bro6bcXw3cp5"; protected-headers="v1" From: Michael Everitt To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] call for agenda items -- council meeting 2019-04-14 References: <20190401032055.GA9497@linux1.home> <4bbfc34f-335f-5521-310a-b66ffd0d9a9a@gentoo.org> <5e30d658-80c8-b608-1505-dc08db3625bf@gentoo.org> <20190403174315.32615d3b9574571e3ed4a399@gentoo.org> <80ed2e482e96c96555bf4fd9331731c4c9ad0d7f.camel@gentoo.org> <5e5d94b9-4930-ebb0-2efd-c32abe6827d8@gentoo.org> <2495c3061f522db40cbd37a6f809d309063294c0.camel@gentoo.org> <20190410073625.2b44peoeu2tkfpdp@gentoo.org> <61d1be9c060c7cf9b8556c3a3a83e452fc2ccef5.camel@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <61d1be9c060c7cf9b8556c3a3a83e452fc2ccef5.camel@gentoo.org> --6DdecV4I5LQjrO4Ewxoj7Bro6bcXw3cp5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-GB On 10/04/19 08:45, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > And yes, that's my opinion which -- as you have implied -- is not > as valuable as the opinions of those few. > This and this precisely ... there is a blind assumption, and far too many= records of such, that your opinion carries a disproportionate weight. Unfortunately for you, this is simply because the other voices are much quieter, and don't get the 'time of day' and validation that yours do, bu= t this is not lost on the wider "community". Why should one individual, whether supported or not, get 'special treatment' over many others, simpl= y because their voice is loudest, whilst other 'loud voices' are simply shunned because "they're not Me"... I'm not putting this very well into English, and the loss in translation = is probably great .. but I think that perhaps a more widely consulted opinio= n might be appreciated by the 'wider community' than the same one/two/three= people who constantly have their names in email lists, commit logs and meeting minutes. Give Someone Else a Try. What's the worst that can [really] happen??? And if that [actually] happens, how much of it can sti= ll be reverted?? What's the real risk here .. that we've made a straw man or= we might actually solved a [real] problem?? Be daring, be risky, it's thi= s that has enabled organisations like Google and Facebook to even exist, do= we want to consign Gentoo to the history books for being dogmatic and inflexible? This is the 21st century, not the 19th ... --6DdecV4I5LQjrO4Ewxoj7Bro6bcXw3cp5-- --3Brt53tTNYfqSYGVQiNj5KH2DkD21gaVR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJcraMfAAoJEGPnxnn01DHdTDUP/AqiTitDah8b1eHHl9cIDR/h ttZ0GJGh5ZuXVM1UHcZvCFnqO7ei2jach/eTS1D5lL7/edoGMGqj3JcdbrTDUUFx iYT7GP4O44sjTX4g43+kAR+3v0tuWy9vJByJqT9dzQnTSdCd/eAMLvduqfMX5OEY mDak7paaJXijtPiWAK7/iQPlPEe4nUuXpJYeMnWvOCg+tB0PWV3x55FpgwFY6XFR zR2R9oQpFzQp8n6MqiRN37trJDuQch2H3GolP1dshyAoC/oHb2t/zdn98WLB11Lt jNkZUfDu7XQjCs4RU8hBkf4yEKdtcEMflB/wllspx2cwo4yuPe+oyO9lnfSoy8O2 4mNiO8ZNhUNIOTHdMgXPei7NYhL1meHcGX2aiwd2AZr7I8YR2KWiOFSlWWdl7prm i5qfItAGxUrZ3NBObIKiHnrsYGXLVqqkHQx9aoVbG19aql/NbUvlMmGLyyQq7A2P ARovZ+wB8bHzDKVuBIVzD0AxjNw3gFzg/FntnfpLRa9CZWvh+2ih+GZDDbyMMoEK HYmVGTzw/v3DzFOj/DZEfAVcXY5IgwVqrrL481iauw59Z1S/qkVpgSTAsFkDEj0A jHwVW9YJ4rpuQFyow2JzT6rD5nGBU2NkPMdezkdsPQIJ5QTN8D5+ejojlZjOIKvc 0prOQNWowLBodxAHbRjv =ALdV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --3Brt53tTNYfqSYGVQiNj5KH2DkD21gaVR--