From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F629138350 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2020 23:40:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 391B1E086E; Thu, 20 Feb 2020 23:40:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (woodpecker.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E3FC9E0849 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2020 23:40:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2001:4dd3:b6f5:0:9b9:5b77:d4b6:4341] (2001-4dd3-b6f5-0-9b9-5b77-d4b6-4341.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de [IPv6:2001:4dd3:b6f5:0:9b9:5b77:d4b6:4341]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: whissi) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DDDF634EC88; Thu, 20 Feb 2020 23:40:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] rfc: comrel changes To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org References: <20200217161812.GA5969@linux1.home> Cc: comrel@gentoo.org From: Thomas Deutschmann Organization: Gentoo Foundation, Inc Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 00:40:36 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="gKjgCArKCYhfCP0V3wUPxH4sW4epmeVp4" X-Archives-Salt: e1feace0-d546-4e8c-a1f3-2f85bb72548d X-Archives-Hash: 5e225c7047a04d1684b8ae196f5e09a9 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --gKjgCArKCYhfCP0V3wUPxH4sW4epmeVp4 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="b9iuAXLLbytCHDyclvCR6tkdBa3N9RtEC" --b9iuAXLLbytCHDyclvCR6tkdBa3N9RtEC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I also don't understand what you expect from metrics. Imagine the following metrics for January: > - number of bugs received: 22 > - number of bugs pending: 10 > - number of bugs resolved by actions: 2 > - number of bugs closed without action: 10 >=20 > - number of mediation requests received: 0 > - number of mediation requests resolved: 0 > - number of mediation requests escalated to bugs: 0 > - number of mediation requests dismissed without action: 0 Now what? :-) These numbers have no real meaning. Without knowing why 10 bugs are pending you don't know if ComRel people are slackers or if bugs were just filed in the last day(s) of January. Without knowing details nobody can answer if ComRel people are slackers, acting like the US supreme court or if it was OK to close 10 bugs without any action. The thing is, people *will* read *something* into these numbers which can only go wrong and won't help us. For me, it's the same like the transparency reports from Google, Facebook, Twitter: The number of requests is increasing each year. Is that happening because authorities around the world are more and more persecuting their citizen? Or is it just because more and more authorities gained access to that instrument which can now be used using some kind of standards? How does everything correlate to service usage at all? You don't know but you can use such reports to generate whatever message you like to send out. In the end, these transparency reports are just some kind of show to keep people quiet (Look, we do something!). If we are interested in transparency, how about the following 'radical' change: Let's make bugs *public*, at least for project members. In this way, each project member can form their own view/opinion based on real facts. Maybe not from the beginning like some court hearings (trials) aren't public as well. But because ComRel is speaking 'in the name of the project', bugs should become accessible at least for project members when ComRel's job is done like court decision are usually published. --=20 Regards, Thomas Deutschmann / Gentoo Linux Developer fpr: C4DD 695F A713 8F24 2AA1 5638 5849 7EE5 1D5D 74A5 --b9iuAXLLbytCHDyclvCR6tkdBa3N9RtEC-- --gKjgCArKCYhfCP0V3wUPxH4sW4epmeVp4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGTBAEBCgB9FiEEExKRzo+LDXJgXHuURObr3Jv2BVkFAl5PGPRfFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDEz MTI5MUNFOEY4QjBENzI2MDVDN0I5NDQ0RTZFQkRDOUJGNjA1NTkACgkQRObr3Jv2 BVm9TAf/Rfc3cSdp6khUS9nlqYfkxKB00VAR+K6NU+NrXPj2+WfvSXIaYKuRiQI4 g5dvuLqOoHYUzpHboFHGY5pFJkCE4jwwve6S7129CyCHYsNtFob8seeER2bH3yRq X12GXEl6FcSGACbgwdFjz2q0C3O2jO46FcS7d9Mhim6/JcKdkMZ0BaKLRYyS4xY4 gQnRhhqhQuBzYe/MXr2o1yLI1daff7Jp8yPvskX06vGCxf4IHLRGomGjM9ipkUz8 /MdCjElpm6fyC/vjuY7NxTt2KHRlrVQbDJPiIJnm7ftSBXTAb+2l8eHPd4kP7M60 kDi4yjzVEhAAes1HsY1xLnZRCTJyBg== =R4xm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --gKjgCArKCYhfCP0V3wUPxH4sW4epmeVp4--