From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9FF4E138334 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 00:12:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 94A17E0BC3; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 00:12:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (woodpecker.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47990E0BBC for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 00:12:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2001:4dd4:1085:0:1c94:ab64:6426:236d] (2001-4dd4-1085-0-1c94-ab64-6426-236d.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de [IPv6:2001:4dd4:1085:0:1c94:ab64:6426:236d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: whissi) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4D5CF335DB6 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 00:12:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] What should the default acceptable licenses be? 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boundary="BdOVMgYP47QqPMSvDSYJvXZ439LnOUzCR"; protected-headers="v1" From: Thomas Deutschmann To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] What should the default acceptable licenses be? References: <19f33ab8-fb98-275d-cea0-7a9710bf9f8e@gentoo.org> <417625d4-1741-254f-6417-a29c8e8e4bc0@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <417625d4-1741-254f-6417-a29c8e8e4bc0@gentoo.org> --BdOVMgYP47QqPMSvDSYJvXZ439LnOUzCR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2019-01-29 18:53, Alec Warner wrote: > 1) Do the users not currently have a choice today? (e.g. do we need=20 > to populate the @nonfree license set?) Yes and no :-) In theory, users currently have a choice. However we set > ACCEPT_LICENSE=3D"* -@EULA" by default. This means: The package manager will accept _any_ license except licenses within EULA license group. > 2) Are the users aware of the choice? I suspect this feels closer to=20 > your intent. While its perhaps technically possible to make an=20 > informed decisions on licensing we do not force users to make a=20 > choice, and so many accept the default. Nobody can answer that question for sure. We can only take Brian's mail as data point that at least new users aren't aware. Most users will notice once they have to install a package which is using an EULA. Famous package was www-plugins/adobe-flash or drivers. > 3) Some Gentoo community members find the existing default > problematic because it does includes nonfree software, and think > Gentoo should ship with only free software by default. >=20 > I think if there isn't a @free-only (or -@nonfree) item we should do=20 > the work to make that possible (so ensure 1 is implemented.) Stop. Maybe we need to split this discussion: SSPL is something new from my P.O.V. I am not aware of any other license which has special requirements when you decide to run the licensed software for someone else (or like you call it nowadays, "as a service").= So even if SSPL will get OSI approval (and MonogDB upstream expects approval according to their FAQ) I am not sure if package manager should merge such a software without further prompts. My understanding is that some other developers want to go one step further and change > ACCEPT_LICENSE=3D"* -@EULA" into > ACCEPT_LICENSE=3D"@FREE" I am not (yet) part of this motion. But keep in mind: If this motion will end up with > ACCEPT_LICENSE=3D"@FREE" we will get back to this topic in case OSI will approve SSPL in which case we would have to add SSPL to OSI-APPROVED which is part of FREE group... --=20 Regards, Thomas Deutschmann / Gentoo Linux Developer C4DD 695F A713 8F24 2AA1 5638 5849 7EE5 1D5D 74A5 --BdOVMgYP47QqPMSvDSYJvXZ439LnOUzCR-- --TlGOI6HAuZOWQJHkhIfSCbVyzHXd5UVK5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGTBAEBCgB9FiEEExKRzo+LDXJgXHuURObr3Jv2BVkFAlxQ6/RfFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDEz MTI5MUNFOEY4QjBENzI2MDVDN0I5NDQ0RTZFQkRDOUJGNjA1NTkACgkQRObr3Jv2 BVn3hAf9EBC7FcAW+T03WncIonP2c9nBmIyNz9IDj73WF48Lw+djRADfeMFXVRoW 00FxNsGwGHIrtFxAnpUAECV+xsv3mewvD60SfC5HsslxGwSG2g2fUfDwQ0lrkpao 2kDhJjgkwFfSg722rUvuGFMONvF+J8cURRFbcgjYb/6KKaHg6LpyRByCB2ABS+Ee bB34inyZAal2aj9AdEvUd6Cmm96vCWt1V5z9ZFG9uEmHh17TpuBmlWqZ7uil00BR VT2EoBpIFPFS8QuTXeWh9WuzslTN+5YuQ6JBD84MpJ+HNRcsbXeeUkseutgxY29c 1EARRpxcZk7GEm7Pz2A1gEkozClO1w== =4R89 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --TlGOI6HAuZOWQJHkhIfSCbVyzHXd5UVK5--