From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 17A84138239 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 01:59:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E991FE0958; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 01:59:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (mail.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3477E0956 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 01:59:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (c-98-218-46-55.hsd1.md.comcast.net [98.218.46.55]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mjo) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C5304340754 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 01:59:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] call for agenda items -- council meeting 2019-04-14 To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org References: <20190401032055.GA9497@linux1.home> <4bbfc34f-335f-5521-310a-b66ffd0d9a9a@gentoo.org> <5e30d658-80c8-b608-1505-dc08db3625bf@gentoo.org> <20190403174315.32615d3b9574571e3ed4a399@gentoo.org> <80ed2e482e96c96555bf4fd9331731c4c9ad0d7f.camel@gentoo.org> <232747ba-063c-821f-a66d-5f106ed2aa82@gentoo.org> <465cf0eb-3323-d71f-e6a7-862f0940f54b@iee.org> <9b6b02c8-bc96-6e5d-d99a-56e9290479b0@gentoo.org> From: Michael Orlitzky Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2019 21:58:39 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.3 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9b6b02c8-bc96-6e5d-d99a-56e9290479b0@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 9f8baab4-8916-426a-a4e2-0ba4052234a0 X-Archives-Hash: 16a8c6a249a1b11b36217081cd7ab453 On 4/9/19 6:49 PM, Chris Reffett wrote: > > (Picking one thread to reply to, but this applies to the discussion as a > whole) > Same. This is a tough one. I don't care much at all about the copyright angle. Copyright has always been a fundamentally inconsistent concept. We all violate copyright law millions of times a day, and there's no way to avoid that in modern society. This campaign is simply doing what everyone else does in that regard: pretend we give a shit, so people don't see us as heretics. The fact that we've gotten ourselves into a logical pickle here is not unexpected given that we're trying to play a game that doesn't make any sense. I'll sleep fine either way. What I do care about is that ultimately the only form of trust our users have is based on our reputations. I'm a real person: you can search for my name, find out where I work, who my friends are, call my girlfriend and tell her I suck. That's *not* what's keeping me from committing a backdoor to Gentoo. But that *is* why you trust me not to do it. I have a few simplified-to-the-point-of-absurdity computer security rules, one of which goes like "don't run code from anyone you can't find and punch in the face." To that end, not having a real identity associated with a developer account is troubling. But, of course, I like having our pseudonymous contributors around fixing stuff too.