From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F04B138334 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2019 10:04:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1960DE087B; Mon, 1 Jul 2019 10:04:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D98DE0877 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2019 10:04:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.6.147] ([212.159.46.162]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue012 [212.227.15.163]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Mrfgi-1iMTBF08u4-00ngfJ for ; Mon, 01 Jul 2019 12:04:25 +0200 Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees: Gentoo Foundation To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org References: <20190615124220.fcf0c08b22481d5bc6c2dbe0@gentoo.org> <1f0e294c-35f8-1700-ea2e-47c853ec53f2@gentoo.org> <511eea50-fb16-53ad-b434-728eb66e98db@iee.org> <3619661.8k9fyLHnIu@porto> <20190630215422.GA22747@bubba.lan> <20190630215539.GA22958@bubba.lan> <47RPTG3Y.CFLD2E4R.OEOQQKVQ@W76SVU36.L4XT3L3J.QGBZ5HKU> From: Michael Everitt Openpgp: id=BA266E0525CFAB101523351B4C30334F93C22371 Autocrypt: addr=m.j.everitt@iee.org; 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boundary="NDTFdDGj89MuFljpq4PS4Mj6vUJWGSQuI"; protected-headers="v1" From: Michael Everitt To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees: Gentoo Foundation References: <20190615124220.fcf0c08b22481d5bc6c2dbe0@gentoo.org> <1f0e294c-35f8-1700-ea2e-47c853ec53f2@gentoo.org> <511eea50-fb16-53ad-b434-728eb66e98db@iee.org> <3619661.8k9fyLHnIu@porto> <20190630215422.GA22747@bubba.lan> <20190630215539.GA22958@bubba.lan> <47RPTG3Y.CFLD2E4R.OEOQQKVQ@W76SVU36.L4XT3L3J.QGBZ5HKU> In-Reply-To: --NDTFdDGj89MuFljpq4PS4Mj6vUJWGSQuI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-GB On 01/07/19 11:02, Michael Everitt wrote: > On 01/07/19 10:52, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: >> On Mon, 2019-07-01 at 10:31 +0100, Roy Bamford wrote: >>> On 2019.07.01 08:50, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: >>>> On Sun, 2019-06-30 at 17:55 -0400, Aaron Bauman wrote: >>>>> On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 05:54:35PM -0400, Aaron Bauman wrote: >>>>>> On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 01:49:58AM +0200, Andreas K. Huettel >>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Isn't it about time we quit pinning the mistakes of the past >>>> on the >>>>>>>> officers of the present?=20 >>>>>>> Well, yes. Though, we tried something in the past, it didnt >>>> work, we should do=20 >>>>>>> it different in the future. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From what I understand, the present and recent >>>>>>>> officers have made extraordinary efforts to rectify the >>>> shortcomings of >>>>>>>> previous trustees >>>>>>> And that's great.=20 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But are you sure that we should require continuous >>>> "extraordinary efforts"=20 >>>>>>> from trustees in the future, just to keep things running? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> FWIW, I endorse antarus / Alec for trustee. :) >>>>> No, once fixed, the books will likely be continued to be done by a >>>> full time CPA. >>>> >>>> Wouldn't a dedicated 'full time CPA' be more expensive than an >>>> umbrella >>>> that has a financial team for multiple projects? >>>> >>>> --=20 >>>> Best regards, >>>> Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny >>>> >>>> >>> Ah, the nuances of the English language used between two non=20 >>> native spears.=20 >>> >>> A 'full time CPA' means that the person does that sort of work full >>> time. It does not mean that he or she works full time for any one >>> client.=20 >>> >> Yes, I understand that. However, I still believe that a contract >> initiated between CPA and a single small-ish entity such a Gentoo >> involves more costs than fees taken by umbrella dedicated to multiple >> entities. Please correct me if I'm wrong. >> >> While I can agree that we need to pay more at the moment due to past >> issues, I also believe that we owe it to our donors that we try not to= >> spend most of their money on unnecessary bureaucracy (read: keeping >> a dedicated Foundation if there's an alternative that works for Gentoo= ). >> > Has anyone got any ball-park figures for the costs of being part of an > umbrella organisation? > And how would this compare to the forecasted costs ongoing for Gentoo > Foundation Inc. or a future non-profit? > What would the tax implications of an umbrella org look like, vs Gentoo= > keeping these in-house? > Finally, would the Council (prospective) prefer to pay an additional cost= to an Umbrella org to be free of Gentoo Foundation or other sub-project? --NDTFdDGj89MuFljpq4PS4Mj6vUJWGSQuI-- --21AEGLQIvsXzwR5zkKZ6J5ODFwaS5gpcy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJdGdqoAAoJEGPnxnn01DHdfK4P/09QlbLW8GBiB66aed5nBBEc EqiOQYXHVC/zJ+nQ2ZQOi9/qwHYR3euKBSvidVSJG/tjd815BAXwEJhtx+tr8qij 0ij96OC6eD8NHdGwSttjxQ1jKsnapBTmjZxKPXb6JHpoq2qA71eD4C9Q6k3U6V8y nQ09SFpxEU4+e/PgO3Bu1IOqSmnZlqDh4TrSE+QtzQhuxVAxFOmtsB0jD5pvJccD w27hweoFWPACN+FSquOdjD0LD+Dbyx3VsCfPMHLAoqDGZ/9+8svcglH8l9TsWlno qx3X1ajLW0ZvjuyLlTRtxcB92gBfasV+zhG9YjLv6DFTKVEajoNr93/jx/Rh28Hi 3AGvWzVxZmGuwyir2N9zF5ORHxVquJLe4utB1TD9AoQxC6Dr649mWDzvLgyIcmh+ Dk3D+Y6nurlgXy8iJKvdIprsj8fqP2azraWMfGE8uJzXn7LPSMiK4x2Me99w80jR /dlE+wFC5HiPLen9Qet/AQVHsUCoVW2OuvBt8OpAgEY9djA0IWgOtdBzkkkaHY8c daaIQcXMGn5pE0Is27+IlNorRPDia2r0nHcQ81j7xj/a1EN3UOOndzP/w5xvQMod DzliLvnMMWyxfDQ9W4eHxacSr/d1DuJBdAvyoCPzN/WpP2KShipEkyoS77XDxHyr Q2zoXONl6kNMGHWYGNwI =Q47G -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --21AEGLQIvsXzwR5zkKZ6J5ODFwaS5gpcy--