On 01/07/19 11:02, Michael Everitt wrote:
> On 01/07/19 10:52, Michał Górny wrote:
>> On Mon, 2019-07-01 at 10:31 +0100, Roy Bamford wrote:
>>> On 2019.07.01 08:50, Michał Górny wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 2019-06-30 at 17:55 -0400, Aaron Bauman wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 05:54:35PM -0400, Aaron Bauman wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 01:49:58AM +0200, Andreas K. Huettel
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Isn't it about time we quit pinning the mistakes of the past
>>>> on the
>>>>>>>> officers of the present? 
>>>>>>> Well, yes. Though, we tried something in the past, it didnt
>>>> work, we should do 
>>>>>>> it different in the future.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From what I understand, the present and recent
>>>>>>>> officers have made extraordinary efforts to rectify the
>>>> shortcomings of
>>>>>>>> previous trustees
>>>>>>> And that's great. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But are you sure that we should require continuous
>>>> "extraordinary efforts" 
>>>>>>> from trustees in the future, just to keep things running?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FWIW, I endorse antarus / Alec for trustee. :)
>>>>> No, once fixed, the books will likely be continued to be done by a
>>>> full time CPA.
>>>>
>>>> Wouldn't a dedicated 'full time CPA' be more expensive than an
>>>> umbrella
>>>> that has a financial team for multiple projects?
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Michał Górny
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Ah, the nuances of the English language used between two non 
>>> native spears. 
>>>
>>> A 'full time CPA' means that the person does that sort of work full
>>> time. It does not mean that he or she works full time for any one
>>> client. 
>>>
>> Yes, I understand that.  However, I still believe that a contract
>> initiated between CPA and a single small-ish entity such a Gentoo
>> involves more costs than fees taken by umbrella dedicated to multiple
>> entities.  Please correct me if I'm wrong.
>>
>> While I can agree that we need to pay more at the moment due to past
>> issues, I also believe that we owe it to our donors that we try not to
>> spend most of their money on unnecessary bureaucracy (read: keeping
>> a dedicated Foundation if there's an alternative that works for Gentoo).
>>
> Has anyone got any ball-park figures for the costs of being part of an
> umbrella organisation?
> And how would this compare to the forecasted costs ongoing for Gentoo
> Foundation Inc. or a future non-profit?
> What would the tax implications of an umbrella org look like, vs Gentoo
> keeping these in-house?
>
Finally, would the Council (prospective) prefer to pay an additional cost
to an Umbrella org to be free of Gentoo Foundation or other sub-project?