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boundary="iMGhGyET0lywKMnzNSAYYIbLD92Byb4sY"; protected-headers="v1" From: Michael Everitt To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees: Gentoo Foundation - Treasurer Response! References: <86784617.NvtdGxuBOO@pinacolada> In-Reply-To: --iMGhGyET0lywKMnzNSAYYIbLD92Byb4sY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-GB On 03/07/19 11:47, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 2:12 AM Robin H. Johnson wr= ote: >> At an outward glance, this does imply that some umbrellas would be >> cheaper than a CPA, while others would be more expensive; but the >> equation is more complicated, because we need to be careful about the >> accounting of services that the umbrella would provide. >> >> The equation therefore should be more of: >> Cost(Umbrella) vs [Umbrella baseline without umbrella-provided expense= s] >> > You also need to consider the tax savings themselves if the umbrella > is 501c3. That is also a percentage of the net (the CPA costs being > deductible most likely). > > You also need to consider services that we would receive that we > currently lack. After all, Gentoo hasn't spent a dime on CPAs for a > long time, but that was hardly a true savings. > What makes you suggest we need the extra services that would be included = by an umbrella org? What services are you thinking of? If Gentoo hasn't need= ed them the past decade, why would they be useful now? What would be the cos= t if the Gentoo Foundation Inc procured these services separately? How does= this provide a cost saving? Can you prove this is therefore "better value= for money" if despite having less "expenses" as Robin points out, but larger net income, and hence larger net fees? --iMGhGyET0lywKMnzNSAYYIbLD92Byb4sY-- --f5jN6ghiZZ92guTz12XzZV80mtNszT79N Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJdHIvyAAoJEGPnxnn01DHdLLIQALV0TUOs/Q7Jx2z5Qxy+BpA1 HFFrV8zGAfE0kih840sR4XtDsHEca9GuiBh5eS7elLZh6SN9vAGVk09UAh9jGZXY 5QShYiChaOGruNUo4rtTMHPkRqcbAukZYBYX7mNIPF+EKedEBv61rWiwJhojdaSQ kuLDVt9uhnIAQE+Co+R8F+BFNXv/bYnJmTXypyoE+jKOSnkXQzmkDM0Foj6stqi2 TM4P3t/29TiRFmotFkWFZ1Ih2tLrYTCODgYtoYf/HbAhfflLZD7h2V+tFxpFWkRz Kv/tCsMXz0CviyVlDq3lC5kik76D/94RGKAG02rTp4peyWU4XcqkXvYR6Xnqt9d/ +ZnrjPYw7A2gVKpXI3K+mvQDKSgAPhR8CZvj8sDe4m110VqJLmsiA4F882EKf00i ovBWQlI5FoJVeokVM/6ZqoO4qCQGylt1izITiwlsnHDsNHhzxX+nif7ZX6ddnzm/ d+uWSnR4NiyFEY/hOp6Y2o3LPYp1DD6vUXkKs4KnFg5Qq3NWIsQNRCmCZQ29Tju1 44D15CvkX9dfNw2JH6Wiaji+swCSUeHywvAQ/UFMvyQzlFCHknRrRHz19y5z+mrV M+zWDbEc7StB03GpaHJwvGJcOKf+3UdTJ8nkEKVze06pBwyFeMANwmpwcTv1NHeW lir2NmfkRP631UnL33Ih =1Ov9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --f5jN6ghiZZ92guTz12XzZV80mtNszT79N--