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Gentoo Foundation, Inc Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 10:34:51 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.3 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pN2DxnfH6aGZ4kiZ6dS4xThUHyjt7bLZj" X-Archives-Salt: c152d980-a333-4562-abd0-b4b20675e42b X-Archives-Hash: 10a168b53f9dbab9a3e3e742bbaa0c12 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --pN2DxnfH6aGZ4kiZ6dS4xThUHyjt7bLZj Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="P7nGM5BF9ea8tirBxDV4w3Uw4gAbPVEkr"; protected-headers="v1" From: Thomas Deutschmann To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: What should the default acceptable licenses be? References: <18f615b4-dfd4-f0db-a5c4-93c97e7dcbb6@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: --P7nGM5BF9ea8tirBxDV4w3Uw4gAbPVEkr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2019-02-12 20:40, Alec Warner wrote: > This is why I continue to advocate for a deliberate choice based on > the social contract ("Gentoo is and will remain Free and thus the > default should be "-* @FREE" rather than some kind of objective=20 > choice based on 'consequences'; which I think just muddle the point. Sorry, I don't get this. You understand that a change from > ACCEPT_LICENSE=3D"* -@EULA" (active today) to > ACCEPT_LICENSE=3D"-* @FREE" is the same like > ACCEPT_LICENSE=3D"@FREE" Isn't it ("-*" isn't needed; at the moment we say "don't prompt for _any license_ except licenses from @EUAL group")? And I also don't understand people discussing consequences: 1) There's no hard block. 2) Existing systems won't break because PM will prompt to accept any license of installed packages not yet accepted. Even in case you will reject that prompt, your existing system won't break (you won't get new updates for those packages, that's all). 3) New users will have to learn about ACCEPT_LICENSE earlier, that's all.= 4) There's also no plan to force projects like releng to stick to ACCEPT_LICENSE default. If any project wants to use package X which requires license Y they are free to do so (of course you have to comply with law, only content which we are allowed to redistribute...). 5) This change will basically only affect stage3. And ulm already did an audit of stage3 and aside kernel sources (due to outdated eclass) all currently included packages are only using licenses from @FREE group. So if you want to, you could say, we are only adjust ACCEPT_LICENSE to licenses we are actually using in our stage3. --=20 Regards, Thomas Deutschmann / Gentoo Linux Developer C4DD 695F A713 8F24 2AA1 5638 5849 7EE5 1D5D 74A5 --P7nGM5BF9ea8tirBxDV4w3Uw4gAbPVEkr-- --pN2DxnfH6aGZ4kiZ6dS4xThUHyjt7bLZj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGTBAEBCgB9FiEEExKRzo+LDXJgXHuURObr3Jv2BVkFAlxj5MBfFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDEz MTI5MUNFOEY4QjBENzI2MDVDN0I5NDQ0RTZFQkRDOUJGNjA1NTkACgkQRObr3Jv2 BVkaQwf7BZo/GIs3TxyXwhl0tdA5fQA7ddWnSJ66wwb/Jdv6Ait8f6/rdsAEpkKK Qsy4xl3fPIIgpSgyOVSEMzTAb32Gi/meN+EqKHohcyyCUvqA1PprHSatMXQPWGRk TPNpDbnn9TwIIJOqlqN4F1XeSKUniJ8FFxvpdZja37yu15BL/s1XvknFVBiuaYbD m3+rqT8FdOfckRDTx1fhSHWj93gQTl2GXI24/GqMVEeGrEUX3ZwO7uUPpfhfhIiO dNxBwgyXvktymVfKPjfPZk085oC/rImVqWlRQnmr1WunSw/Xshuhmjk7Kel0F+TA pmnEazzLkXQKhx1g92xIoqxMDbkkCQ== =lyO1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pN2DxnfH6aGZ4kiZ6dS4xThUHyjt7bLZj--