From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 489BF138334 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2019 09:52:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A50E6E082D; Mon, 1 Jul 2019 09:52:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6734DE07A7 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2019 09:52:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pomiot (d202-252.icpnet.pl [109.173.202.252]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mgorny) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 54E67346D78; Mon, 1 Jul 2019 09:52:33 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees: Gentoo Foundation From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_G=C3=B3rny?= To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2019 11:52:28 +0200 In-Reply-To: <47RPTG3Y.CFLD2E4R.OEOQQKVQ@W76SVU36.L4XT3L3J.QGBZ5HKU> References: <20190615124220.fcf0c08b22481d5bc6c2dbe0@gentoo.org> <1f0e294c-35f8-1700-ea2e-47c853ec53f2@gentoo.org> <511eea50-fb16-53ad-b434-728eb66e98db@iee.org> <3619661.8k9fyLHnIu@porto> <20190630215422.GA22747@bubba.lan> <20190630215539.GA22958@bubba.lan> <47RPTG3Y.CFLD2E4R.OEOQQKVQ@W76SVU36.L4XT3L3J.QGBZ5HKU> Organization: Gentoo Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha512"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-AFauSMmxZxJV6fEcSmny" User-Agent: Evolution 3.30.5 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Archives-Salt: bb9df3d6-497d-4e7c-ab80-5742b0d4a477 X-Archives-Hash: 4f201f71189470787d7f783452ffd5ce --=-AFauSMmxZxJV6fEcSmny Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2019-07-01 at 10:31 +0100, Roy Bamford wrote: > On 2019.07.01 08:50, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > > On Sun, 2019-06-30 at 17:55 -0400, Aaron Bauman wrote: > > > On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 05:54:35PM -0400, Aaron Bauman wrote: > > > > On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 01:49:58AM +0200, Andreas K. Huettel > > wrote: > > > > > > Isn't it about time we quit pinning the mistakes of the past > > on the > > > > > > officers of the present?=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > Well, yes. Though, we tried something in the past, it didnt > > work, we should do=20 > > > > > it different in the future. > > > > >=20 > > > > > > From what I understand, the present and recent > > > > > > officers have made extraordinary efforts to rectify the > > shortcomings of > > > > > > previous trustees > > > > >=20 > > > > > And that's great.=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > But are you sure that we should require continuous > > "extraordinary efforts"=20 > > > > > from trustees in the future, just to keep things running? > > > > >=20 > > > > > FWIW, I endorse antarus / Alec for trustee. :) > > >=20 > > > No, once fixed, the books will likely be continued to be done by a > > full time CPA. > >=20 > > Wouldn't a dedicated 'full time CPA' be more expensive than an > > umbrella > > that has a financial team for multiple projects? > >=20 > > --=20 > > Best regards, > > Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny > >=20 > >=20 >=20 > Ah, the nuances of the English language used between two non=20 > native spears.=20 >=20 > A 'full time CPA' means that the person does that sort of work full > time. It does not mean that he or she works full time for any one > client.=20 >=20 Yes, I understand that. However, I still believe that a contract initiated between CPA and a single small-ish entity such a Gentoo involves more costs than fees taken by umbrella dedicated to multiple entities. Please correct me if I'm wrong. While I can agree that we need to pay more at the moment due to past issues, I also believe that we owe it to our donors that we try not to spend most of their money on unnecessary bureaucracy (read: keeping a dedicated Foundation if there's an alternative that works for Gentoo). --=20 Best regards, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny --=-AFauSMmxZxJV6fEcSmny Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGTBAABCgB9FiEEx2qEUJQJjSjMiybFY5ra4jKeJA4FAl0Z191fFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldEM3 NkE4NDUwOTQwOThEMjhDQzhCMjZDNTYzOUFEQUUyMzI5RTI0MEUACgkQY5ra4jKe JA7GyQgAhaDcKYpYCHVz7X0YLKApPVd3kddLPEmCzxqr17b1ALiDCqhOtAM4LEsD WmzaNhHAciiULHUjBSVJpgNzJNzsMr7q6Ldy/9mXEitA2+h6rKtD6UxBeQ5iwg6Z wI/gJ/H+ugGjiPy6O9ILVzsgTuJfyJ0hf/VbAiBpeibpdsb5OP1SHl/Tc6+OYySd qd03uxw7mBb+RkOrwr8pG53vqYd8nsluPJuEsHEiMp2YU0jD776717NHUmGiMvqG HoOMIzVyoi1I6jcaYz4YeJznEagSyqJmJip3ygGC3nw+U1puhcMchly2Bm9zC5MN ifBbmr58Jx+54AK+F5+bn8Ul6N+6bA== =Bwap -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-AFauSMmxZxJV6fEcSmny--