From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A891C13832E for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2016 18:55:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5A96321C093; Fri, 5 Aug 2016 18:55:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C14E721C04E for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2016 18:55:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.11.14] (ool-18bef804.dyn.optonline.net [24.190.248.4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: NP-Hardass) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4E0F3340948 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2016 18:55:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2016-08-14 To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org References: <2e11e445-c25b-b7f2-def1-99aed92308b6@gentoo.org> <20160804162443.GA7048@whubbs1.gaikai.biz> <971d2394-58dc-74e9-416c-90b3f9aaacb5@gentoo.org> <20160805184245.GA12055@whubbs1.gaikai.biz> <45f646d7-9b7a-4fae-9180-0519d3fbb61f@gentoo.org> From: NP-Hardass Openpgp: id=862040BE422755F27FDE13D5671C52F118F89C67; url=https://sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x671C52F118F89C67 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 14:55:15 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <45f646d7-9b7a-4fae-9180-0519d3fbb61f@gentoo.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="kmqRGxGT6FBGXxOq1VFrd1cPOFSUrnUEM" X-Archives-Salt: afeb0a3c-d75a-4a6c-8d25-1b50b6d7555a X-Archives-Hash: 7ecf669321d1e3c99b7a26401233a83c This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --kmqRGxGT6FBGXxOq1VFrd1cPOFSUrnUEM Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="4qnr0IeqpCGjKNLDbWsB8x3CNnP4gfckE" From: NP-Hardass To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2016-08-14 References: <2e11e445-c25b-b7f2-def1-99aed92308b6@gentoo.org> <20160804162443.GA7048@whubbs1.gaikai.biz> <971d2394-58dc-74e9-416c-90b3f9aaacb5@gentoo.org> <20160805184245.GA12055@whubbs1.gaikai.biz> <45f646d7-9b7a-4fae-9180-0519d3fbb61f@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <45f646d7-9b7a-4fae-9180-0519d3fbb61f@gentoo.org> --4qnr0IeqpCGjKNLDbWsB8x3CNnP4gfckE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 08/05/2016 02:45 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: > On 08/05/2016 08:42 PM, William Hubbs wrote: >>>>>> Ultimately, I think we need some form of automated stabilization, = e.g. >>>>>> if a package version sits in ~ for 30 days and there are no blocke= rs at >>>>>> that point, the new version should go automatically to stable on a= ll >>>>>> architectures where there is a previous stable version. >>>> >>>> I LOUDLY disagree. The stable tree should not be compromised by such= >>>> automation, it is already bad enough without proper use-testing in s= ome >>>> cases. Stable isn't only about building properly. >> and that's why we don't commit straight to stable. people are supposed= >> to be testing those ~arch versions for a while before they go stable. >> That testing should cover the use cases you are talking about and work= >> out the bugs. Once that's done, we should be able to move the package = to >> stable. >=20 > It was recently a discussion in #-dev that could help on this, the > automation can't be only build-testing, but if writing usage-tests > (protocol, interface access testing etc for servers etc) automation > would indeed be helpful. >=20 Isn't the src_test phase psuedo runtime testing? I'm not sure that us developing test suites for upstreams is a good use of our time. I mean, yes, it would improve the upstream projects where they accept it (which is good for all), but I feel it detracts from what Gentoo developers are doing (for Gentoo) --=20 NP-Hardass --4qnr0IeqpCGjKNLDbWsB8x3CNnP4gfckE-- --kmqRGxGT6FBGXxOq1VFrd1cPOFSUrnUEM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXpOETAAoJEBzZQR2yrxj76dYQALFioa1lHNdoC6ZtWY6LBSZ9 NRkLvdGpntfbB7kP69mvaZlTJFZvLEo98fHel2GNxTtSeyo7MYDyCLCaUvS5akif N0tlkXLGmEqQq2xCJHA5w8LR4YvbPFSxOwudq6io1ILb4cRGFDKqjwcmX9hyr5eQ 7CADX14kVGWvrKsOw3WBN1xTS2KehHYK929tXuzfbsRm+upVSNQGxYZFm0J+kzLx tKz35nRsUOVh5UcxJQoaJlDihIytN93dJwYn8MMUq0WyOh9XU5Xwg7ZvPtgjII4V pf8HwosSgx8c46pJL4/Sp3zzLcpa0XQUW2w57T9FO5xOg+ePVQMitf3lApBb9egZ CNDWAxLgQhh8vq9Q6l0YWcd25rpHg8ESCTkKq0Ek2WXcvtMSzl6rbrCRJA9XCgoI 8IXNDgd5IG6OU4M4rVEbQPz2FHCd8K8ndaHgJYOmMYXEPgVKfnlpEpoQyQUEBtJ8 ENedAvx7u5GfiM00Nq+esOZTydEEaYEu39piPuY9Kj2jnnzL4xnruis9g1iunlC+ iGDfDoDu48Lr5VeX5gxoJ4gshLlRuOJK1vx9hp5Vm7osc3VWercyOZ5LpqsrnN+v 4kxKhNia9xJllIg68Dk51bDS587Edi0uSpdjqBJjvO/U8dtX8antEd4acC2AI9sI JVh20vSkeuvkBnp4emnp =aqAF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --kmqRGxGT6FBGXxOq1VFrd1cPOFSUrnUEM--