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boundary="c0JRgPZdNaE7cZ0D61ixc6pBKjKRBQHte"; protected-headers="v1" From: "M. J. Everitt" To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2018-12-09 References: <1543149110.17973.1.camel@gentoo.org> <2a393e89-3156-9666-de46-2faf2fd1f7e3@gentoo.org> <20181204001604.GK16376@monkey> In-Reply-To: <20181204001604.GK16376@monkey> --c0JRgPZdNaE7cZ0D61ixc6pBKjKRBQHte Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-GB On 04/12/18 00:16, Aaron Bauman wrote: >> On 25.11.2018 15:31, Mart Raudsepp wrote: >>> In two weeks from now, there will be a council meeting again. Now is >>> the time to raise and prepare agenda items that you want us to discus= s >>> and/or vote upon. >>> >>> Please respond to this message on the gentoo-project mailing list wit= h >>> agenda items. >>> The final agenda will be sent out on 2018-12-02, so please make sure >>> you post any agenda items before that, or we may not be able to >>> accommodate it into the next meeting. >>> >>> The meeting itself will happen on 2018-12-09 19:00 UTC [1] in the >>> #gentoo-council FreeNode IRC channel. >>> >>> >>> 1. https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=3D201812= 09T19 >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Mart Raudsepp > I would like to propose, once again, that the council vote on the > following items: > > 1. The council approves all architectures that are maintained as stable= > architectures. > - e.g. alpha, amd64, arm, arm64, ia64, ppc, ppc64, and x86. > > Conversely, the council also may remove/drop such architectures as > needed (c.f. item 2). > > 2. The council approves that all stable architectures are subsequently > determined to be security supported. Thus, an architecture may not be > stable and *not* security supported. This disparity has implications i= n > processes and timeliness of actions taken to mitigate vulnerabilities > reported. > - e.g. amd64 is approved as stable arch and thus is security supported= =2E > - e.g. arm is dropped as a stable arch thus is no longer security supp= orted. > > Overall, both of these items will provide a much clearer understanding > of how security is able to proceed with mitigating vulnerabilities in > the tree, how users view and understand what architectures are stable > and security supported, and allow the security team and maintainers a > clearer/cleaner process to follow. > > Standing by to answer RFI's. > > -- > Cheers, > Aaron By all means correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding was that a stable *arch* meant that there was a consistent dependency tree, and this= was maintained to ensure there was some integrity to that arch's packages= =2E It had/has nothing to do with security-supported which was another separa= te classification entirely. I see merit in simplifying the categorisation of arch package sets, but I= 'm not sure this particular change/proposal will serve much of a purpose, other than further reinforcing that amd64 is the only arch that Gentoo officially supports; and sets the wheels in motion for eventual bitrot of= anything else, streamlining the way for deprecation and treecleaning anything which is not relevant for amd64 arch. Please clarify that this is not, and will not be the case with this policy/proposal. --c0JRgPZdNaE7cZ0D61ixc6pBKjKRBQHte-- --U0MV5Xv0Zmb4wHnmAsD6qj7w2U9OM1BVi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJcBcyuAAoJEGPnxnn01DHdlM8QAKLViMv5s8i7lC3H3Xx6/gX6 Dl6TOX0+SgPJ+6gOIcUmWohtkaivmKHto1t5jMfkYMfQitzRDP7LOeu11UlMza+T mbAhx7d6K/Qw0oAl1gdaw0NLDrvCbjPK8w1uHuflVKoi4kDJcAG6cToSpyWxexCc wvBHVK8+tSN0lMTKr8vS26WA82CjBRf7JUHVklMRP86KzOtg3jUh0rfQbLmsgTv6 O3ffgDaxPQIrcfkQrXTBCrTQ1eFgqtfMj0ZYxOMCEZUW5QTC1myMyCFOQz9e/Twz +OgSkC6bjt5s/wywifdCdEqVcFXVLjEA+2LFg7nCw3/3vpc/yactTT+Vd4AWy+aC Q83Yt3OlGhjvnFrZ68UJ2MOPmvVBisD1Q/oHXdu3M/hL7VolIBw60xlmAP+AVeyu rgsj0mN/GliXnJ2LFF0k3fHYJj26ITq5KyRfpjU+KSvy0Xx8ZMnKWPwwor2HAeBr JSjXgm5nJWeEzLXMn00oCOquBrkar/w8pt1ztumGwodPW6mMLx7zMdOAcvWJV/Je fvn9spJKwXEh4asb35aQ0dQgsJV9QR8VojOPch8zoX7gFnK+XvWRuMAgdPHnJ+ra /oZ1B3ulBNBD+gwbRv6aRNJOaGtY4wyYbXRp6Clx8lC6q2PpadYoJ8WcYjMzKaSz BC0Pq24mRaPfw2IYESGK =qJwu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --U0MV5Xv0Zmb4wHnmAsD6qj7w2U9OM1BVi--