From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LHTud-0007pf-By for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 02:00:51 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 23B8AE043E; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 02:00:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.152]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7D09E043E for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 02:00:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 4so1665209yxp.46 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:00:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.142.15 with SMTP id p15mr8050381and.33.1230602447435; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:00:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.109.15 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:00:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:00:47 -0800 From: "Alec Warner" Sender: antarus@scriptkitty.com To: AllenJB Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Stabilization process addition: Announcements about required manual intervention Cc: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <4958178A.4080602@allenjb.me.uk> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4957F8E2.5060206@allenjb.me.uk> <49581221.6030002@gentoo.org> <4958178A.4080602@allenjb.me.uk> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 762f0af366c9209d X-Archives-Salt: 93c1730a-4dc8-4f60-91a1-16a58890d063 X-Archives-Hash: b16191fe19112c7f2e5995bf0651a402 On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 4:19 PM, AllenJB wrote: > ...Which isn't stable yet, so stable users won't see them... if there even > were any news items (I'm using portage 2.2, just sync'd and there are no > news items listed). > > I was aware of GLEP 42 but it's one of those things that seems to have > existed in some form since I started using Gentoo several years ago and has > never been implemented. > It was implemented a year ago and released only recently. > Given that it's apparently already in testing, when will developers start > using this system? (And how will it be known if there are any issues with it > if it hasn't been used on the live tree before 2.1.6 goes stable?) > Probably once portage versions that support it are stable. > And who is going to make sure that developers are using it to keep users > informed of (potential) issues? > I think the idea of some kind of 'news police' is stupid. Responsible developers will write items, have them checked by someone and then submit them. Irresponsible developers will not. > Also, will news items be posted to a web page, forum or mailing list in > addition so that they can be easily linked to from forums / irc / mailing > lists and users can see issues coming in advance if they don't sync > particularly frequently? Not at this time, but news items are easy to parse, file a bug if you think this is useful. -Alec > > AllenJB > > Zac Medico wrote: >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> AllenJB wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I would like to suggest that as part of the stabilization process, >>> developers are required to (get PR to) make an announcement about any >>> manual intervention that (might be) required on a stable system. >>> >>> At the moment, this would include most blocks (eg. the recent e2fsprogs >>> block) and issues such as the firefox/xulrunner use flag issue. >>> >>> These announcements should appear on the gentoo.org front page, >>> gentoo-announce list and the announcements forum. >>> >>> The announcement should appear before the first (affected) architecture >>> stabilizes the package. >>> >>> I think this would help alleviate the load of those helping in the >>> forums, irc and mailing lists as well as probably reduce the number of >>> unnecessarily created bugs. >>> >>> Obviously the need for these announcements will be drastically reduced >>> with the stabilization of portage 2.1.6 / 2.2, but I suspect there will >>> still be things which they can not handle automatically. >>> >>> AllenJB >>> >>> >> >> You can use GLEP 42 news items which are supported with portage-2.1.6: >> >> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/glep/glep-0042.html >> - -- >> Thanks, >> Zac >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) >> >> iEYEARECAAYFAklYEiAACgkQ/ejvha5XGaOD4ACgi11yGFU4Uh4tSz5qhZnsK87n >> DesAoJc/L/WdORMZDKua+S9RbcrZeP4N >> =gdrX >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> > > >