[gentoo-project] [project] Re: [RFC] some global useflags

[gentoo-project] [project] Re: [RFC] some global useflags

[Steve Long]

Ryan Hill wrote:
> Steve Long wrote:
>> Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>> > Steve Long wrote:
>> >> > Have a look at, for example, [1], where Mike already gave you an
>> >> > answer one of the previous times we discussed it.
>> >> >
>> >> I'm aware of the prior discussion.
>> >> Re-read it, and tell me what it breaks, if you can.
>> > 
>> > Well, which part of the previous times it's been explained to you
>> > didn't you understand?
>> > 
>> No one has ever given me a technical reason. I thought you might have
>> light to shed; clearly not.
>> 
>> Please don't reply to my posts if you don't have any actual
>> information to add; I realise you like long fruitless mail
>> 'discussions', and apparently have lots of time for them, but I
>> don't, and I don't enjoy reading them either. This kind of one-liner
>> with zero content, and no intent but to insult, should simply be
>> binned without sending imo.
> 
> Okay, Steve, stop.  I don't think you realize it, but you are trolling
> this list.
That wasn't my intention; I added that comment simply to stop the flow of
one-line emails.

> Every second post is you and Ciaran bitching at each other 
I do wish one of you devs would pick him up on his behaviour _on the list_
one of these days.. instead it's _always_ me who gets the flak.

Or do you think his post was anything other than a "one-liner with zero
content, and no intent but to insult"?

> or you complaining about every single thing we do that you
> don't personally like.
Not complaining, simply pointing out better ways to do things; a technical
discussion iow. The reason that has been more difficult a discussion than
it should be is because of the unpleasant comments from McCreesh, Ferdy and
Leverton.

> We appreciate your input, but please respect our 
> right to do things the way we think is best for us, even if they aren't
> aligned to your personal preferences.
> 
I was never under the impression that Gentoo devs would do anything other
than whatever they wanted.

Can you tell me what a 'server' USE flag _breaks_?

Re: [gentoo-project] [project] Re: [RFC] some global useflags

[David Leverton]

On Sunday 19 October 2008 12:42:34 Steve Long wrote:
> Can you tell me what a 'server' USE flag _breaks_?

Adding a (correctly-formed) line to use.desc isn't going to "break" anything.  
The point is whether or not it's sensible to do so.

Re: [gentoo-project] [project] Re: [RFC] some global useflags

[Alec Warner]

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 4:42 AM, Steve Long <slong@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
> Ryan Hill wrote:
>> Steve Long wrote:
>>> Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>>> > Steve Long wrote:
>>> >> > Have a look at, for example, [1], where Mike already gave you an
>>> >> > answer one of the previous times we discussed it.
>>> >> >
>>> >> I'm aware of the prior discussion.
>>> >> Re-read it, and tell me what it breaks, if you can.
>>> >
>>> > Well, which part of the previous times it's been explained to you
>>> > didn't you understand?
>>> >
>>> No one has ever given me a technical reason. I thought you might have
>>> light to shed; clearly not.
>>>
>>> Please don't reply to my posts if you don't have any actual
>>> information to add; I realise you like long fruitless mail
>>> 'discussions', and apparently have lots of time for them, but I
>>> don't, and I don't enjoy reading them either. This kind of one-liner
>>> with zero content, and no intent but to insult, should simply be
>>> binned without sending imo.
>>
>> Okay, Steve, stop.  I don't think you realize it, but you are trolling
>> this list.
> That wasn't my intention; I added that comment simply to stop the flow of
> one-line emails.
>
>> Every second post is you and Ciaran bitching at each other
> I do wish one of you devs would pick him up on his behaviour _on the list_
> one of these days.. instead it's _always_ me who gets the flak.
>
> Or do you think his post was anything other than a "one-liner with zero
> content, and no intent but to insult"?
>
>> or you complaining about every single thing we do that you
>> don't personally like.
> Not complaining, simply pointing out better ways to do things; a technical
> discussion iow. The reason that has been more difficult a discussion than
> it should be is because of the unpleasant comments from McCreesh, Ferdy and
> Leverton.

Not all things are technical in nature.

>
>> We appreciate your input, but please respect our
>> right to do things the way we think is best for us, even if they aren't
>> aligned to your personal preferences.
>>
> I was never under the impression that Gentoo devs would do anything other
> than whatever they wanted.
>
> Can you tell me what a 'server' USE flag _breaks_?
>

It breaks usability.  I realize that is hard to measure but we have
discussed this multiple times and have decided it is a Bad Idea for
users and a Bad Idea for us.  So it was not done.

-Alec