From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IGzIc-0007bG-JU for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:42:47 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l73FgZHd011970; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 15:42:35 GMT Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l73FgYOP011965 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 15:42:34 GMT Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id d32so1704907pye for ; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 08:42:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.210.3 with SMTP id i3mr5348208qbg.1186155753155; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 08:42:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.156.14 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 08:42:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 08:42:33 -0700 From: "Alec Warner" Sender: antarus@scriptkitty.com To: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_'Necoro'_Neumann?=" Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Gentoo <--> Sabayon Relation Cc: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <46B15C0F.3020809@necoro.eu> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <46B15C0F.3020809@necoro.eu> X-Google-Sender-Auth: a05cd6e5cb5900f5 X-Archives-Salt: 77bd4db5-7f44-4391-9344-e550c7fff9fa X-Archives-Hash: 86e0705f9548701aad05e8928cba8307 On 8/1/07, Ren=E9 'Necoro' Neumann wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hey guys, > > I'd like to discuss a topic that I know much people will use for > trolling/flaming or similar. If you feel like this - get you a weapon > and cool down, but please do not answer :) > > I start this discussion as I'm inspired by some posts at drobbin's blog. > > The first thing: > What is the actual (official) attitude towards Sabayon? What is this 'official' stuff? I don't think Gentoo has a body that makes decisions on 'officiality' and I don't think anyone cares anyway. Some people think Sabayon is good, others do not. I don't think you will get an 'official attitude', you will get the attitude of whomever you have asked. > > If it is as I think it is (negative) - why is it like this? Why isn't > Sabayon treated as an official "child project"? Why is support denied > for Sabayon Users? - I know that they have a global ~$ARCH and some > not-so-nice hacks ;), but this shouldn't be a reason, as problems > related to this shouldn't be the major part... Sabayon (in my experience) has badly chosen settings in /etc/make.conf. Those settings by default make the packages in sabayon unsupported in a typical gentoo environment (ie you are using gentoo but have those settings, good luck getting support from many people). Support in #gentoo is typically denied to sabayon users because in our experience it's rarely a gentoo problem. It's usually a problem with the sabayon overlay or build settings. The number of times I've helped someone for 15 or 20 minutes only to find out they are using sabayon and not gentoo and holy crap they have this overlay and horrid build settings. Hey surprise, your packages didn't build. Maybe you should use sane settings! -> makes me grr ;) I believe you can always get support for it in the Unsupported Software for= um. So to sum up, we don't support it because it has really bad make.conf settings (CFLAGS/LDFLAGS). It would be like saying 'we support you using -ffast-math'. Which is false, we will tell you to rebuild your system without -ffast-math. If you come to me with a sabayon problem, I'll tell you to rebuild your system with sane build flags unless you have good evidence that those flags are not the problem. Most Sabayon users are not prepared to do that. > > I want just to propose, that the devs should be more open for Sabayon - > and see it as a source of ideas and software. If lxnay will finish > Entropy (and it helds what it is supposed ;)) - it will add a feature > that is often asked for and always declined as "not possible". (And > there may be other stuff ...) > > > Hmm ... I had several other thoughts but forgot them during the day :/. > So again: Only serious, constructive answers :) > > - -- Nec > > P.S.: Nope - I'm not a Sabayon User :) > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFGsVwP4UOg/zhYFuARAgJ7AJ4ly6n/vGhKxFby7HpvFdNyEGw96ACdF6VV > kHM9MZIKcpQrtDS6zb37IGs=3D > =3DJwcP > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- > gentoo-project@gentoo.org mailing list > > -- gentoo-project@gentoo.org mailing list