From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 78B5D139694 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 21:13:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D6B0EE0D1F; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 21:12:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.73]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6228FE0D1C for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 21:12:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.6.88] ([212.159.46.162]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue102 [212.227.15.179]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M57wk-1dpm2J1d1C-00zHR2 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 23:12:57 +0200 Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] The problem of defunct and undermanned projects in Gentoo To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org References: <1500239562.11529.1.camel@gentoo.org> <20170719075622.293bff90@katipo2.lan> From: "M. 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Everitt" Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 22:12:45 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20170719075622.293bff90@katipo2.lan> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="TQR1bpuWLC0hjUqgroNqooU8jjPWi4row" X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:hjDw5RT8K1HjWCtGnBoSEAAktta2mrWKa21grqaEV5XUgQ9k780 eDSA0I/WBvyG8X43+k8vvy5DT0PY7sHa9TrcgggYQUleUPKKuBBitMUxc5ZN1H6pLGIDR2b 97o6srys/9KArwGZytGlSluE+Br7DUQ3X73Utm/IR/VmwdQ8O7MrW0HMrlgE6puIn6vJemk cwJ1JZtsVNNZzssk6sFVg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:vonJiZUDFgE=:e5q2ww3KO2D2DdlPN/akIA FPzDMGTpgn5ODfNhUErPQUCbyCJp5M5hjOh4Cfhi5cBOcKRPMNsUCegVQ0uTNaC0FUJbS2GrP LXd5tZ/xAuddbAngD3v1HhhhJA+I8feVObcSGEegwkXIrWGmYUrLyoaXR/6kZp82xOkep3ZV3 AZbXWFMieoBt5TF1MQtvZjeZlAGNZAAUZTDAPvHz76ihI2h5gb8o8Q8osksfsPuYnJgYcdZQ4 Eosj3NWYok8PYhqHhwkdXbgYugFgO7IgPV1Oi+eSMBo4CYHrwSZBFKkBAo5Z29O2Fqd6LR1VT p+KVvaF/LiNOADgjKb2GPTIMrX5TqxHarZTbJwla/iV3EnbAwBz5VlBhQ7ie+hwfqDoy+xyUm roT3xYAgXb1L6vssqPShQb7x3i2WwAzMW5MJDT5/EHLXbqKyRLutyfIHx8Sat7+nlOLyxK2fn MjqI+Aa60ReuItV2w7lNIYl+hAeYkYpSilpcab4tPi4GeGe3LStgrJfl5dE0FkNVXem4EGhLp tCE7U6pIhsTfR6g3N8h/pYXr6ZJg9abcQdC67+YWJuueXxFKxOf54rgksIYZd8MPpXT3s+Vcs NL74fmGsXL99rXqK5k9xexsRPdpqfrzJiw6xT7z/HEBr/h1ucNoGSaer6E0+0cAOGikMGTlzU 8nZ0K8AEVGCAfWBz34nueoAhiK1MY7EqrsFVOLigekJcn+OgIfCtc44zcha6p/S0Q0BDUp2wq SBWoRGfKxlNbKRGetvSi6PrC4aZ9+j2L53lDxw== X-Archives-Salt: 51fbf67f-3786-460b-a613-65099f82ce34 X-Archives-Hash: 327248f014f33ecbf41591474e59af2a This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --TQR1bpuWLC0hjUqgroNqooU8jjPWi4row Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="evr89lrShQ0KThmeOIlAObFgORlOo2chS"; protected-headers="v1" From: "M. J. Everitt" To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] The problem of defunct and undermanned projects in Gentoo References: <1500239562.11529.1.camel@gentoo.org> <20170719075622.293bff90@katipo2.lan> In-Reply-To: <20170719075622.293bff90@katipo2.lan> --evr89lrShQ0KThmeOIlAObFgORlOo2chS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 18/07/17 20:56, Kent Fredric wrote: > On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 23:12:42 +0200 > Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > >> What do you think? Would you mind getting that amount of mail once? >> Any other ideas? > From the mail I got, ( which I didn't mind ), I felt there was one > distinguisher that was missing: > > "active" vs "passive" membership. > > Like, I get the impression ( with perl for instance ) that although > many of its members are "around", and they occasionally "do something",= > I'm not sure they can all count as "There" in terms of staff-power > metrics. > > If you make one commit every 6 months, are you really still "active"? > > Its useful to keep them all on the list, because they're people who > have knowledge and can do the work if it comes there way, so I don't > think *removing* them is the right thing to do. > > But for keeping tabs on "do we need more staff or not", it just serves > as a confusing source of data. > There seem to be a lot of devs who are 'on the list' but I never see in commit logs, etc. Sure they're devs alright, but they're not devaway, and yet they don't appear to be providing any meaningful contribution. I think mgorny was doing some general commit stats, and I have yet to compile my own, but it would be very interesting to see how many 'active' team members there were in any given project. 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