From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 85271139694 for ; Thu, 11 May 2017 20:24:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 60452E090A; Thu, 11 May 2017 20:24:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail2.obsidian-studios.com (mail2.obsidian-studios.com [45.79.71.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0ECEAE0822 for ; Thu, 11 May 2017 20:24:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 14233 invoked from network); 11 May 2017 20:24:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO assp2.obsidian-studios.com) (wlt-ml@::ffff:127.0.0.1) by ::ffff:127.0.0.1 with ESMTPA; 11 May 2017 20:24:11 -0000 X-Assp-Version: 2.5.5(17073) on assp2.obsidian-studios.com X-Assp-ID: assp2.obsidian-studios.com m1-34251-07900 X-Assp-Session: 3774FC15230 (mail 1) X-Assp-Envelope-From: wlt-ml@o-sinc.com X-Assp-Intended-For: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Assp-Server-TLS: yes Received: from unknown ([fdbe:bad:a55:0:1::211] helo=localhost) by assp2.obsidian-studios.com with SMTPSA(TLSv1_2 ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256) (2.5.5); 11 May 2017 13:24:10 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 16:24:05 -0400 From: "William L. Thomson Jr." To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Items for Council Agenda, May 14 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <0ac908a7-9875-f629-fa0c-0c85945e1185@gentoo.org> <871srvx3o8.fsf@kestrel.kyomu.43-1.org> <20170511184513.3c2997a0@gentp.lnet> Organization: Obsidian-Studios, Inc. X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.15.0-dirty (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Sig_/3z.dx=WAs2I4l3s=oDVjllO"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: d192e2fc-b19f-4b26-a1bb-98d0411edce8 X-Archives-Hash: 5cd84677d1f8bbfcbdc5c7ba420a6cd7 --Sig_/3z.dx=WAs2I4l3s=oDVjllO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 11 May 2017 15:57:52 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote: > We don't want people to avoid us. I myself have been there and done that. I left for many years. Very few things if anything improved. I was even accused of not doing more over those years. Despite how people handicap my ability to contribute. Which I stopped some time ago. My recent activity on Github was simply trying to address contributors that Gentoo Developers were ignoring... This person ignored for 11 months. Does this guy sound happy? Did anyone other than me reply to address his concerns? https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/pull/1721#issuecomment-300155991 Good reason for me to be blocked from Github right? What does that say to that guy? I had NOTHING to do with Gentoo Devs ignoring that pull request. Why is this one still open? Mgorny has superior skills to my pathetic ones. Why does he not merge that request? Why has Chewi not? Anyone even talking to the contributor? https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/pull/1358 While that pull request addresses a number of Tomcat bugs. There are still many more Tomcat related bugs people are reporting. https://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=3Dtomcat&list_id=3D3530490 What about this guy? Did anyone reach out to him? He showed in IRC as well.... http://marc.info/?l=3Dgentoo-dev&m=3D149194941632740&w=3D2 Those are just a few and all 3 have NOTHING to do with me. That is Gentoo Developers neglecting their own contributors. Upsetting them and driving them away. Do you think any of them will contribute more? I feel bad for all three.... They were not treated right! > If somebody looks at our list archives and see lots of flames, they > may be discouraged from participating. Rarely will chaos drive someone away from a superior product and offering. More so if one is technically superior to another. If such does they then were not interested in the technical aspects or did not consider them superior. Why do I still run Gentoo after how I am treated and seen? For technical reasons clearly not social. > If somebody posts a bug and somebody replies saying that xyz on > Gentoo is dead and that you'd be better off on another distro, > they'll probably take that advice ensuring xyz remains dead. Etc. Or when the bug and/or fix for said issue goes ignored for a very long time. It shows that the Distro is being neglected. That alone will drive people away. Even if a package is alive, it can be dead on a given distro. > It is a bit of "we will not hide problems" vs "not hiding problems > actually causes those problems." Suicide by social contract? People are intuitive and can see problems hidden or not. Gentoo Developers and people within are creating FAR more problems than anyone on the outside.... There are 3 clear examples above. Where is the clear example of say my actions driving another away? Any evidence? --=20 William L. Thomson Jr. --Sig_/3z.dx=WAs2I4l3s=oDVjllO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EARECAB0WIQTEeldqZjmVut8bVHJNcbKkg6ozUAUCWRTIZQAKCRBNcbKkg6oz UBzNAJ9XqHupxbzwYXQCCioKiYfonYteRwCZAW3DUvCvAMfLheVTPu+JQn0EpIA= =fHx6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/3z.dx=WAs2I4l3s=oDVjllO--