Re: [gentoo-project] Items for Council Agenda, May 14

["William L. Thomson Jr." <wlt-ml@o-sinc.com>]

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On Thu, 11 May 2017 15:57:52 -0400
Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org> wrote:
>  We don't want people to avoid us.

I myself have been there and done that. I left for many years.
Very few things if anything  improved. I was even accused of not doing
more over those years. Despite how people handicap my ability to
contribute. Which I stopped some time ago.

My recent activity on Github was simply trying to address
contributors that Gentoo Developers were ignoring...

This person ignored for 11 months. Does this guy sound happy? Did
anyone other than me reply to address his concerns?
https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/pull/1721#issuecomment-300155991

Good reason for me to be blocked from Github right? What does that say
to that guy? I had NOTHING to do with Gentoo Devs ignoring that pull
request.

Why is this one still open? Mgorny has superior skills to my pathetic
ones. Why does he not merge that request? Why has Chewi not?
Anyone even talking to the contributor?
https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/pull/1358

While that pull request addresses a number of Tomcat bugs. There are
still many more Tomcat related bugs people are reporting.
https://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=tomcat&list_id=3530490

What about this guy? Did anyone reach out to him?
He showed in IRC as well....
http://marc.info/?l=gentoo-dev&m=149194941632740&w=2

Those are just a few and all 3 have NOTHING to do with me. That is
Gentoo Developers neglecting their own contributors. Upsetting them and
driving them away. Do you think any of them will contribute more?

I feel bad for all three.... They were not treated right!

>  If  somebody looks at our list archives and see lots of flames, they
> may be discouraged from participating.

Rarely will chaos drive someone away from a superior product and
offering. More so if one is technically superior to another. If such
does they then were not interested in the technical aspects or did not
consider them superior.

Why do I still run Gentoo after how I am treated and seen? For
technical reasons clearly not social.

>  If somebody posts a bug and  somebody replies saying that xyz on
> Gentoo is dead and that you'd be better off on another distro,
> they'll probably take that advice ensuring xyz remains dead.  Etc.

Or when the bug and/or fix for said issue goes ignored for a very long
time. It shows that the Distro is being neglected. That alone will
drive people away. Even if a package is alive, it can be dead on a
given distro.

> It is a bit of "we will not hide problems" vs "not hiding problems
> actually causes those problems."  Suicide by social contract?

People are intuitive and can see problems hidden or not.

Gentoo Developers and people within are creating FAR more problems than
anyone on the outside.... There are 3 clear examples above. Where is
the clear example of say my actions driving another away? Any evidence?

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William L. Thomson Jr.

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