From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B54C4139085 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2017 20:47:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 36031E0DF8; Thu, 19 Jan 2017 20:47:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail2.obsidian-studios.com (mail2.obsidian-studios.com [45.79.71.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF107E0D77 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2017 20:47:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 27917 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2017 20:47:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO assp2.obsidian-studios.com) (wlt@::ffff:127.0.0.1) by ::ffff:127.0.0.1 with ESMTPA; 19 Jan 2017 20:47:51 -0000 X-Assp-Version: 2.5.3(16294) on assp2.obsidian-studios.com X-Assp-ID: assp2.obsidian-studios.com m1-58871-09103 X-Assp-Session: 37819AC6418 (mail 1) X-Assp-Envelope-From: wlt-ml@o-sinc.com X-Assp-Intended-For: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Assp-Server-TLS: yes Received: from unknown ([fdbe:bad:a55:0:1::211] helo=wlt.localnet) by assp2.obsidian-studios.com with SMTPSA(TLSv1_2 ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256) (2.5.3); 19 Jan 2017 12:47:50 -0800 From: "William L. Thomson Jr." To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] RFC: GLEP - Require Projects to report to Council Monthly Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 15:47:46 -0500 Message-ID: Organization: Obsidian-Studios, Inc. In-Reply-To: <1975914.inQFSlDfHT@rioja> References: <1975914.inQFSlDfHT@rioja> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart3775361.oo071MkrKy"; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 47b937da-5dc9-4255-8148-52a1c403d0d6 X-Archives-Hash: 856e203069708c9fc02457c557d51b23 --nextPart3775361.oo071MkrKy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Thursday, January 19, 2017 9:32:57 PM EST Johannes Huber wrote: > > And when the projects are not doing it, projects get disbanded. Meaning > packages go to single maintainer only. Which means reporting goes away. > Great plan! If projects are not doing it, and packages fall to a single maintainer. Then should it even really be a project? A project/team ideally is more than just one person. If it is just one person, it is not really a project or team. Just someone scratching their itches. Any developer can work on anything. It does not have to be a project. If you are going to create a project, it should be taken some what seriously and reporting should be a part of that. Not to mention should consist of more than one. They should be seeking others to be part of the project team. If not seeking others, its a solo mission. Without such reporting from projects how does the Council or anyone have a clue what is going on in Gentoo overall? Short of stopping by each project and doing research into each. That said, NOTHING in the GLEP says projects are punished or dis-banned for failing to report. Developers are required, or recommended to use repoman. Does that mean someone who does not is removed as a developer? At the same time Council should have authority and reason to end a project it if is not going anywhere, understaffed, etc. Again not having a project does not mean you cannot work on that stuff. So a project and the work an individual is doing is not related. If its individuals, plural, then a project make sense. -- William L. Thomson Jr. --nextPart3775361.oo071MkrKy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABECAB0WIQTEeldqZjmVut8bVHJNcbKkg6ozUAUCWIEl8gAKCRBNcbKkg6oz UE5cAJ9YYtTNybEuzJiQLsAreCWq71xoFwCfVfjuPP4h8bFgLH7nXxifumpm0ls= =+uCZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart3775361.oo071MkrKy--