From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77392139085 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2017 16:41:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E0370E0C5F; Fri, 6 Jan 2017 16:41:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail1.obsidian-studios.com (mail.obsidian-studios.com [173.230.135.215]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2032E0C5C for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2017 16:41:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 23180 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2017 16:41:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO assp1.obsidian-studios.com) (wlt@::ffff:127.0.0.1) by ::ffff:127.0.0.1 with ESMTPA; 6 Jan 2017 16:41:33 -0000 X-Assp-Version: 2.5.3(16294) on assp1.obsidian-studios.com X-Assp-ID: assp1.obsidian-studios.com m1-20893-12797 X-Assp-Session: 32554BB7A48 (mail 1) X-Assp-Envelope-From: wlt-ml@o-sinc.com X-Assp-Intended-For: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Assp-Server-TLS: yes Received: from unknown ([fdbe:bad:a55:0:1::211] helo=wlt.localnet) by assp1.obsidian-studios.com with SMTPSA(TLSv1_2 ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256) (2.5.3); 6 Jan 2017 11:41:33 -0500 From: "William L. Thomson Jr." To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Merging Trustees and Council / Developers and Foundation Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 11:41:29 -0500 Message-ID: Organization: Obsidian-Studios, Inc. User-Agent: KMail/5.3.3 (Linux/4.7.5-gentoo; KDE/5.28.0; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: <57d3af79-4212-b8b9-40df-6120b1445c8b@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2179104.SKFjKocGyo"; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 65f84939-7af0-4020-9514-452455186b95 X-Archives-Hash: d5bca10ecc46ededb4789f96b7cb6976 --nextPart2179104.SKFjKocGyo Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Friday, January 6, 2017 11:24:15 AM EST Rich Freeman wrote: > On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 10:57 AM, William L. Thomson Jr. > > wrote: > > On Friday, January 6, 2017 1:10:48 PM EST Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > >> * The electorate lists for the "council" or "board" are handled by > >> ourselves, and do not require membership of any legal body. > > > > Again you have to have something legal to protect the name and other IP. > > There is no getting around that period. > > I think the thing you missed in this and most of your other replies to > his email is that this would be the results of dissolving the > Foundation and transferring its assets to SPI or a similar > organization. I think you all are missing my experience and research into this matter. Again go look into -nfp archives. You will find a pretty in depth discussion with lots of details you all are seeking to revisit. Learn from the past or repeat your choice. > To avoid a second email, the issue of the single liaison may have been > resolved by Debian, and we would need to follow-up to confirm. I spoke with the SPI as a trustee before... Has anyone else discussing this? They have a single liason. This is the SPI's model and it is not subject to change. http://www.spi-inc.org/projects/debian/ Look at any project, click on them, 1 liason. http://www.spi-inc.org/projects/ At best you can have a backup, but that comes with its own issues http://www.spi-inc.org/projects/aptosid/ One thing you also are all not realizing. You apply for the SPI and must be accepted. It is not a guarantee. Gentoo would need a backup plan if it was not accepted. Given the issues with the IRS I am not sure if Gentoo would be approved. They would have tremendous work potentially. It is not like the house is in order and asking them to simply take over. Also the SPI encourages members of said project to join their organization and take part in SPI governance. Which people object to doing such with the Foundation now, and that will not make that problem any better. People seriously do not understand the scope or details. -- William L. Thomson Jr. --nextPart2179104.SKFjKocGyo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABECAB0WIQTEeldqZjmVut8bVHJNcbKkg6ozUAUCWG/IuQAKCRBNcbKkg6oz UKm6AJ9sS8doFrb8CAefiewmMKHw6bbgHwCdE/S7SmIjBS/Bj/1qQNF2037etIw= =mw3s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2179104.SKFjKocGyo--