From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C7453139085 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2017 15:28:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E0814E0E02; Fri, 6 Jan 2017 15:28:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail2.obsidian-studios.com (mail2.obsidian-studios.com [45.79.71.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8AAAAE0E01 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2017 15:28:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 15083 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2017 15:28:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO assp2.obsidian-studios.com) (wlt@::ffff:127.0.0.1) by ::ffff:127.0.0.1 with ESMTPA; 6 Jan 2017 15:28:06 -0000 X-Assp-Version: 2.5.3(16294) on assp2.obsidian-studios.com X-Assp-ID: assp2.obsidian-studios.com m1-16485-01867 X-Assp-Session: 37818489B20 (mail 1) X-Assp-Envelope-From: wlt-ml@o-sinc.com X-Assp-Intended-For: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Assp-Server-TLS: yes Received: from unknown ([fdbe:bad:a55:0:1::211] helo=wlt.localnet) by assp2.obsidian-studios.com with SMTPSA(TLSv1_2 ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256) (2.5.3); 6 Jan 2017 07:28:05 -0800 From: "William L. Thomson Jr." To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Merging Trustees and Council / Developers and Foundation Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 10:28:01 -0500 Message-ID: Organization: Obsidian-Studios, Inc. User-Agent: KMail/5.3.3 (Linux/4.7.5-gentoo; KDE/5.28.0; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <5289407.Vh1RsfoWcU@porto> References: <57d3af79-4212-b8b9-40df-6120b1445c8b@gentoo.org> <5289407.Vh1RsfoWcU@porto> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2509838.vbnBf3iohF"; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 8b7dc03a-b22b-47f5-af21-b23679373e75 X-Archives-Hash: cb0fad6ae02ec0e0e144b919c9b90e70 --nextPart2509838.vbnBf3iohF Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Friday, January 6, 2017 11:43:05 AM EST Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 5. Januar 2017, 16:02:57 CET schrieb Matthew Thode: > > I think that this brings us more in line with the legal realities of > > running a distro like this. We may want to be separate but don't think > > that's actually the case. So we should stop pretending we are separate. > > Well, that would probably merit looking around how other distros are > working. > > Without doing any detailed research, I'd say Some of us have done extensive research on this topic. Starting back in 2007-08. There are lots of examples out there. Not to mention aware of the legalities and what it will take to accomplish aspects. Since I get no credit for it I mention it routinely. Fact is I did get the Foundation reinstated, a bank account, and revised draft by laws so they were adopted. That is tremendously more than most anyone else has done, short of Robin/robbat2 reconciling the books. Annual filings with NM is minor once reinstated. But filings with the IRS were never done, and that is being worked on now. Fact is I did more for the Foundation on major legal matters than anyone else before or since. Short of Daniel doing the initial foundation filing. Pretty sad I was not able to do more, driven away. Much less how I am still treated and seen. Pretty disrespectful all around, on top of no credit or thanks for such tasks. Which were not trivial, and no one else ever stepped up. > * OpenSuSE, Fedora: "community branch" of a commercial enterprise > * Debian, Arch: via umbrella company (SPI) While the SPI has many benefits one major draw back that does not work for many is having a SINGLE liaison. You can look in -nfp archives from 2007-08 on SPI. There were discussions. The having a SINGLE liaison and no options for more had opposition. Plus there can be other negatives, have to weigh the pros and cons. There are many more that are not under organizations like the SPI. The larger ones with corporate involvement tend to be run directly. Running things directly has some benefits as well. Gentoo could have a mix of paid and volunteer staff just like many non profit organizations, including FreeBSD and others. I have long felt there are areas of Gentoo that could really benefit from paid effort. Things like a news letter. I am not talking full time or major pay. Just some compensation to make efforts worth while, and help motivate for more chore type tasks that are beneficial. I think everyone liked the Gentoo Weekly and then Monthly news letters. Also keep in mind in saying such. I have no intention to pay myself and I never did. I removed provisions from the draft by laws that allowed Trustees to pay themselves. Thus any pay would be more for "staff" type positions. -- William L. Thomson Jr. --nextPart2509838.vbnBf3iohF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. 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