From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C554139085 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2017 15:15:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D8C35E0D9B; Fri, 6 Jan 2017 15:15:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail1.obsidian-studios.com (mail.obsidian-studios.com [173.230.135.215]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9AE0DE0D8D for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2017 15:15:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 22153 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2017 15:15:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO assp1.obsidian-studios.com) (wlt@::ffff:127.0.0.1) by ::ffff:127.0.0.1 with ESMTPA; 6 Jan 2017 15:15:41 -0000 X-Assp-Version: 2.5.3(16294) on assp1.obsidian-studios.com X-Assp-ID: assp1.obsidian-studios.com m1-15741-19522 X-Assp-Session: 325547D8428 (mail 1) X-Assp-Envelope-From: wlt-ml@o-sinc.com X-Assp-Intended-For: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Assp-Server-TLS: yes Received: from unknown ([fdbe:bad:a55:0:1::211] helo=wlt.localnet) by assp1.obsidian-studios.com with SMTPSA(TLSv1_2 ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256) (2.5.3); 6 Jan 2017 10:15:41 -0500 From: "William L. Thomson Jr." To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] OT Merging Trustees and Council / Developers and Foundation Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 10:15:27 -0500 Message-ID: Organization: Obsidian-Studios, Inc. User-Agent: KMail/5.3.3 (Linux/4.7.5-gentoo; KDE/5.28.0; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <6395872.cxIrWEFQuW@porto> References: <57d3af79-4212-b8b9-40df-6120b1445c8b@gentoo.org> <6395872.cxIrWEFQuW@porto> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart3430156.AExUCfXXka"; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 2d4072d3-9e44-4e2f-bb7c-cc73bfb33d17 X-Archives-Hash: 1a3d34ab1085bb503cf09da6fa266ea9 --nextPart3430156.AExUCfXXka Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Friday, January 6, 2017 11:48:57 AM EST Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 5. Januar 2017, 17:14:51 CET schrieb William L. Thomson Jr.: > > Keep in mind the US is founded on freedom of speech. An open source > > project > > could be argued along the same lines as freedom of speech and expression. > > Not to mention an argument could be made for technical benefit of all, > > etc. > > As someone routinely dealing (outside Gentoo) with technology that falls > under US export control, I can assure you that freedom of speech has > absolutely nothing to do with this topic. Closed or open source software? Most any restricted under export tends to be closed source. The US supreme court has already ruled on this matter regarding open source. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernstein_v._United_States "After four years and one regulatory change, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that software source code was speech protected by the First Amendment and that the government's regulations preventing its publication were unconstitutional." https://epic.org/crypto/export_controls/bernstein_decision_9_cir.html This was established in 1999. I love how non-US citizens like to tell US citizens about US Laws. It is very rare that supreme court rulings are overturned. To my knowledge this stands to this day. Any case brought to any court would defer to that case for precedence. Now specific to Andreas being a nuclear researcher it is possible being in a sensitive field that there are further restrictions. Given the uses of nuclear technology and potential harm even for power generation. It would make sense for there to be restrictions. While Germany is an ally, there are export restrictions there, etc. Though none of that would apply to open source software, and you have the right to release source code, and it is protected under free speech. -- William L. Thomson Jr. --nextPart3430156.AExUCfXXka Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABECAB0WIQTEeldqZjmVut8bVHJNcbKkg6ozUAUCWG+0jwAKCRBNcbKkg6oz ULt7AJ4pFKEUIXuPL0+iDVFWzATkrmoHGACfdzi+lVDueXvbxYqkUsNRS5sth1I= =1JxK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart3430156.AExUCfXXka--