From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C3591387FD for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 00:59:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D2499E084D; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 00:59:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B7B4E084A for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 00:59:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix, from userid 2127) id 5F80E33FF0A; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 00:59:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 564F233FE66 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 00:59:08 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 00:59:08 +0000 (UTC) From: "Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto" To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Gentoo Council 2014 / 2015 election In-Reply-To: <53B58E33.5010906@gentoo.org> Message-ID: References: <539BD2E2.7030803@gentoo.org> <3677509.vVmt2iqRkA@kailua> <53B53E12.10209@opensource.dyc.edu> <1827087.o57vyRvkxh@kailua> <53B58E33.5010906@gentoo.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LNX 1167 2008-08-23) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Archives-Salt: 6d9a5e26-c605-4a7c-aa5e-0cd7aec3474c X-Archives-Hash: f11f0f6b9a64ca7db78cd9b277f38765 On Thu, 3 Jul 2014, Anthony G. Basile wrote: > On 07/03/14 09:47, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: >> Am Donnerstag 03 Juli 2014, 07:27:14 schrieb Anthony G. Basile: >> >> > >> > Hi Andreas, >> > >> > >> > >> > ComRel has acted in a way that some devs think was "unfair" and they >> > have asked the council to censure comrel. You were one of the people >> > who voted for the allegedly unfair action. In all good conscience, you >> > think it was the right thing to do. How do you vote on the council? Do >> > you criticize comrel or do you uphold their decision? >> > >> > >> >> Abstain. >> > > Exactly, so the conflict of interest exists and there is no way to make it go > away. You just maintain your integrity by not entering into it, ie abstain. > The community's confidence in the individual in question is not compromised > and the final decision is respected. The potential for "conflict of interests" is the reason any candidate that is a member of ComRel (in the past devrel) gets flagged, so that voters are aware of that. That is the same reason Trustees are flagged. This fear of a ComRel "cabal" in my view seems to have been born of a fear or distrust of some developers, mostly more recent developers, that either don't know or don't understand ComRel and tend to see if as a "old men club" that is "closed" to them. I think it's a pity such a sentiment was born and has grown. I can assure you most of you would absolutely "hate" having to deal with ComRel issues. I don't think there's any other team where one can feel so unwanted and frustrated while trying to do our best for this community. Anyway, I disagree with and will vote against any attempt to prevent election to the Council for being part of any Gentoo team. For those that are confused, nothing prevents a Trstee member from being elected to the Council. It's the Foundation Bylaws that state that if a Trustee is elected to the Council, he / she will have to pick one of the jobs and quit the other. Also, it's "funny" to see the recent (past 2 or 3 years?) concerns with ComRel members in the Council, when I believe we had a Council term with 3 DevRel members and at least 1 ComRel member in all Council terms. If you're concerned, don't vote for a ComRel member. I would prefer people voted based on the candidates than just what teams they are members of, but alas, the vote is up to the voter! ;) > Anyhow we'll never streamline our governance so that conflicts of interest go > away. We can improve things, but never make them go away. > So we can live with someone on comrel and the council with the caveat that we > remain vigilant for conflicts of interest. My comments above were meant to the general thread, not specifically to this email - although you also raise some concerns here. Regards, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto Gentoo Developer (probably seen by some as one of the "old beard" and a former Council, while in ComRel, member)